Lebron hasn't been all-defense in 7 years

[And1AllDay]

bran was rim protector fmvp for two full playoff runs of defrtg 100 and below

mike never did this he never had the defense impact like bran

and bran is the playoff steals leader and mike is #3 behind his own teammate pip

your done

[Bawkish]

LOL at Branstans got triggered so easily by this thread

like a couple of hoes defending their mamasan

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi already tied him with 6 defensive all teams. Next season Kawhi will pass him I'm sure. By the end of their careers, kawhi will double the amount of LeBron's all nba defense teams, as well as win more finals MVPS.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kawhi already tied him with 6 defensive all teams. Next season Kawhi will pass him I'm sure. By the end of their careers, kawhi will double the amount of LeBron's all nba defense teams, as well as win more finals MVPS.

He's gotta hold onto 3-1 leads against 7'1 Windhorst first

[SouBeachTalents]

A 6'7" Curry except Miller could average a lot more ppg at only 5 threes per game - Curry was a 19 ppg scorer for three straight years when he took 5 threes a game, and only increased his ppg when the league offensive strategy became a 3-pt contest, which caused his volume to skyrocket

Miller would see a similar increase in this era of threes.. he would take 11 per game or more.. the spacing would make his head fakes the deadliest in the game on the catch (defenders desperate and late getting to him)

Reggie didn't make an All-NBA 2nd Team or finish top 10 in MVP voting a single time in his year entire 18 year career

[And1AllDay]

Reggie didn't make an All-NBA 2nd Team or finish top 10 in MVP voting a single time in his year entire 18 year career

That boi SouBeach is COOOKIN!!

[3ball]

Reggie didn't make an All-NBA 2nd Team or finish top 10 in MVP voting a single time in his year entire 18 year career

It was a big.man league and offense back then... whereas today's league is built for him

He already averaged 24 for his playoff career... That equals 35 in today's regular season

[TheGoatest]

Here's a list of the best defensive forwards LeBron had to compete with for spots on the all-defensive teams while he was in the league:

Duncan
Garnett
Kawhi
Giannis
Anthony Davis
Ron Artest
Bruce Bowen
Andre Iguodala
Draymond Green
Paul George
Jimmy Butler
Shane Battier
Andrei Kirilenko
Tayshaun Prince

And this is only counting the players who were exclusively Fs and not C/F hybrids like Ben Wallace and Marcus Camby.

Now compare that to the list of the best defensive guards Jordan had to compete with during his years in the league:

Gary Payton
Joe Dumars
Sidney Moncrief
Michael Cooper
Maurice Cheeks
Dennis Johnson
John Stockton
Mookie Blaylock
Alvin Robertson
Derek Harper
Fat Lever
Micheal Williams
Nate McMillan
Eddie Jones

One of these lists has 3-4 guys who will instantly get mentioned on a list of the greatest defenders ever, and probably even more as time goes on.
The other list has Gary Payton.

[3ball]

No he wouldn't. He is not in Curry's league. Sorry the 90's were crap. Pretty embarrassing for Jordan. There are Jr high girls with anorexia that have bigger muscles than Reggie Miller.

Miller is a top shooter like Curry is except he's 5 inches taller with a pure scoring mid-range game.. he'd be fine without a 3-pt line, while curry probably wouldn't have even played

[3ball]

Here's a list of the best defensive forwards LeBron had to compete with for spots on the all-defensive teams while he was in the league:

Duncan
Garnett
Kawhi
Giannis
Anthony Davis
Ron Artest
Bruce Bowen
Andre Iguodala
Draymond Green
Paul George
Jimmy Butler
Shane Battier
Andrei Kirilenko
Tayshaun Prince

And this is only counting the players who were exclusively Fs and not C/F hybrids like Ben Wallace and Marcus Camby.

Now compare that to the list of the best defensive guards Jordan had to compete with during his years in the league:

Gary Payton
Joe Dumars
Sidney Moncrief
Michael Cooper
Maurice Cheeks
Dennis Johnson
John Stockton
Mookie Blaylock
Alvin Robertson
Derek Harper
Fat Lever
Micheal Williams
Nate McMillan
Eddie Jones

One of these lists has 3-4 guys who will instantly get mentioned on a list of the greatest defenders ever, and probably even more as time goes on.
The other list has Gary Payton.

Jordan was guarded by Rodman, Mickey, Mason, X-man, Augmon, Lewis, D Robinson, Drexler, Dominique, Kersey, Nance, Kemp, Hill, Penny, Finley, Kobe (98'), Duncan/Garnett (97' and 98'),

and neither list has anyone regarded as the goat defender, except maybe rodman or Robinson

[3ball]

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BEST PLAYERS THAT BOTH MJ AND LEBRON FACED


1) SHAQ

Top Lebron moments:

2004-2006 were the only years of Lebron's career where Shaq had some prime left - during those years, Lebron finished behind Shaq in MVP voting (2004 and 2005), and lost the conference to him (2005 and 2006).. Lebron never dunked on him.

Top Jordan moments:

Jordan won MVP over prime Shaq in 1996 and 1998 and swept Shaq in 1996 ECF.. He also dunked on him, shown here.

2. KOBE:

Top Lebron moments:

- Lebron watched Kobe win more championships during the time that both were in their prime, and also watched Kobe save the team in the 2008 Olympics.

- He missed the much-anticipated, Kobe/Lebron matchup in 2009 and 2010 Finals, because his top-seeded team underachieved by losing to lower seeds in earlier rounds.

Top Jordan moments:

- MJ dunked on Kobe in their first ever possession vs. each other, shown here

- MJ showed his protege how it's done by hitting the game-winner in the first game of the 1997 Finals, after Kobe had airballed 4 straight game-winner attempts against the same team earlier in the playoffs.

- MJ passed the torch to his protoge in the 1998 all-star game by scoring on him at will (5 times in head-to-head possessions, shown here).

3. DUNCAN

Top Lebron moments:

- Lebron missed the infamous game-tying 3-pointer and needed Ray Allen to save him

Top Jordan moments:

- Jordan MADE his game-tying 3-pointer from the exact same spot during his first meeting with Duncan/Popovich in 1998 (the shot is shown here)... Then he dominated the OT, including 2 dunks over Duncan, shown here..

Later in that 1998 season, Jordan won the Finals against the team (Jazz) that destroyed Duncan's Spurs in WCF 2nd Round (Duncan/Robinson/Popovich's Spurs won 56 games in RS).

4. GARNETT:

Top Lebron moments:

- Lebron got his **** pushed in during 2008 and 2010 ECSF

Top Jordan moments:

- Jordan schooled Garnett in the 1998 all-star game (shown here) and during the regular season (shown here, here and here).

- The only time where MJ and Garnett were matched up defensively for an entire game was during a 2002 contest - both were matched up at SF, and 38-year old Jordan scored 35 on Garnett in every way imagineable, including various blow-by dunks and layups, shown here.

5. SHAWN MARION:

Top Lebron moments:

- Lebron got locked down by OLD Shawn Marion during the 2011 Finals, which was one of the greatest chokes ever by a star in the Finals.

Top Jordan moments:

- 38-year old Jordan hit the game-winner in PRIME Shawn Marion's face during a contest in 2002 (shown here), and then destroyed him for 41 points in another contest (shown here).

6. 2003-2004 seasons

JORDAN 2003: 19.3 PER.. 20.0 ppg.. 44.5 fg
LEBRON 2004: 18.3 PER.. 20.9 ppg.. 41.7 fg

[SouBeachTalents]

.
BEST PLAYERS THAT BOTH MJ AND LEBRON FACED


1) SHAQ

Top Lebron moments:

2004-2006 were the only years of Lebron's career where Shaq had some prime left - during those years, Lebron finished behind Shaq in MVP voting (2004 and 2005), and lost the conference to him (2005 and 2006).. Lebron never dunked on him.

Top Jordan moments:

Jordan won MVP over prime Shaq in 1996 and 1998 and swept Shaq in 1996 ECF.. He also dunked on him, shown here.

2. KOBE:

Top Lebron moments:

- Lebron watched Kobe win more championships during the time that both were in their prime, and also watched Kobe save the team in the 2008 Olympics.

- He missed the much-anticipated, Kobe/Lebron matchup in 2009 and 2010 Finals, because his top-seeded team underachieved by losing to lower seeds in earlier rounds.

Top Jordan moments:

- MJ dunked on Kobe in their first ever possession vs. each other, shown here

- MJ showed his protege how it's done by hitting the game-winner in the first game of the 1997 Finals, after Kobe had airballed 4 straight game-winner attempts against the same team earlier in the playoffs.

- MJ passed the torch to his protoge in the 1998 all-star game by scoring on him at will (5 times in head-to-head possessions, shown here).

3. DUNCAN

Top Lebron moments:

- Lebron missed the infamous game-tying 3-pointer and needed Ray Allen to save him

Top Jordan moments:

- Jordan MADE his game-tying 3-pointer from the exact same spot during his first meeting with Duncan/Popovich in 1998 (the shot is shown here)... Then he dominated the OT, including 2 dunks over Duncan, shown here..

Later in that 1998 season, Jordan won the Finals against the team (Jazz) that destroyed Duncan's Spurs in WCF 2nd Round (Duncan/Robinson/Popovich's Spurs won 56 games in RS).

4. GARNETT:

Top Lebron moments:

- Lebron got his **** pushed in during 2008 and 2010 ECSF

Top Jordan moments:

- Jordan schooled Garnett in the 1998 all-star game (shown here) and during the regular season (shown here, here and here).

- The only time where MJ and Garnett were matched up defensively for an entire game was during a 2002 contest - both were matched up at SF, and 38-year old Jordan scored 35 on Garnett in every way imagineable, including various blow-by dunks and layups, shown here.

5. SHAWN MARION:

Top Lebron moments:

- Lebron got locked down by OLD Shawn Marion during the 2011 Finals, which was one of the greatest chokes ever by a star in the Finals.

Top Jordan moments:

- 38-year old Jordan hit the game-winner in PRIME Shawn Marion's face during a contest in 2002 (shown here), and then destroyed him for 41 points in another contest (shown here).

6. 2003-2004 seasons

JORDAN 2003: 19.3 PER.. 20.0 ppg.. 44.5 fg
LEBRON 2004: 18.3 PER.. 20.9 ppg.. 41.7 fg

I don't think you know what top moment means

[Bush4Ever]

All-Defensive teams is a silly way to evaluate defense.

You need to study tape and possession-data to get an accurate read on individual and team defense in combination. There simply isn't a quick-and-dirty way to evaluate defense.

All-Defensive teams generally pluck out the super-obvious choices, but also include players who float by on reputation (most of Kobe's defensive awards fall in this bucket).

[SouBeachTalents]

Speaking of all-defense, Pippen has more selections than Jordan does

[light]

And you think he's messing with MJ?..

He stopped being selected the year they switched the voting from the coaches to the media.

There were back-to-back seasons where the Defensive Player of the Year (voted by the media) didnt make First Team All-Defensive (voted by coaches).

In those seasons LeBron James received the most First Team All-Defensive votes from the coaches - LeBron was the coaches choice for Defensive Player of the Year - but the media chose Tyson Chandler and Marc Gasol as the Defensive Players of the Year. LeBron was First Team both seasons while Chandler and Gasol were 2nd team.

The NBA's "solution" to this was to remove the coaches from voting and have it all done by the media.

The last time the coaches voted was the last time LeBron made First Team All-Defensive.

If the coaches were still voting Bron would be making more teams.

But LeBron has been getting DPOY votes during the last 7 years and everyone knows he can turn into the best defensive player in the game on command. We saw it several times this year versus Giannis. Kawhi and Murray.

It's not a coincidence that the greatest play of LeBron's career was a defensive play and that the greatest block in Finals history was from him.