Lebron hasn't been all-defense in 7 years

[Manny98]

LeBron has more top 2 DPOY finishes than Jordan

[8Ball]

Sorry.

Anyone that ever muttered "3-6" has ZERO right to say anything about Reggie Miller. Who is 0-1 in the finals.

Paul George = All NBA team 5x, All defence 4x

Reggier Miller = All NBA 3rd team 3x.

Reggie Miller Career 18-3-3
Paul George Career 20-7-4

Jimmy Butler is also better than Reggie Miller.

[red1]

3ball maybe you're right and maybe mj is >>>>>>> every other player like you claim.


You realize you've convinced everyone otherwise right? Using your own logic MJ played on stacked teams, beat weak competition, was ball-dominant and only won with one system - pretty much everything you accuse the other top-10 players of.



Just give it up and retire already. You lost.

[StrongLurk]

OP is definitely in his "Wizards MJ" phase this year...it's ugly to see.

[Roundball_Rock]

Sorry.

Anyone that ever muttered "3-6" has ZERO right to say anything about Reggie Miller. Who is 0-1 in the finals.

Paul George = All NBA team 5x, All defence 4x

Reggier Miller = All NBA 3rd team 3x.

Reggie Miller Career 18-3-3
Paul George Career 20-7-4

Jimmy Butler is also better than Reggie Miller.

George was a MVP candidate and 1st team all-NBA in 19'. It was just one season but Miller never came close to that peak.

Miller is 0-1 in the finals, 1-4 in the ECF, and 3-5 in Game 7's and Game 5's (first round was 5 games back then).

Here is what Bill Simmons said about Miller (this article is about his Miller podcast episode last winter):

He notes Miller had only three Third Team All-NBA selections and five All-Star appearances in his 18-year career.

Simmons even suggests that Miller was never considered a top-10 NBA player in a single season and his prime coincided with an unusually weak stretch of talent.

"Shouldn't it matter that he couldn't create shots for anyone else? That he couldn't consistently beat good defenders off the dribble? That the Pacers sprinted him around a series of picks almost like a mouse going through a maze to spring him for open looks?" Simmons asked.

"Everyone else tailored their games to make Reggie Miller look good. Can you win a title that way? Obviously not."

The Pacers had to move heaven and earth to generate 14 shots a game for Miller.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...er/4467917002/

[8Ball]

Putting that in the filing cabinet for later use.

[Roundball_Rock]

Putting that in the filing cabinet for later use.

You will find MJ stans will never criticize any 90's star (except Pippen or Rodman) because they are so invested in hyping them. They never had a bad game, bad series, had no flaws in their game, etc. Only MJ's teammates did.

[3ball]

I would argue that LeBron right now is a better defender than Jordan was at any point in his career.

Think about all of the players Michael Jordan had to defend throughout his entire career - Joe Dumars, John Starks, Craig Ehlo, etc. 2020 LeBron James can defend all of them just as well as Jordan, if not better.

But what makes LeBron clearly superior are two additional things that Jordan didn't do:

1) LeBron can defend centers and power forwards at a high level.

LeBron can actually defend heavy centers better than Anthony Davis because he has a stronger base (Bron is unusually strong in general).

Jordan was so much smaller and weaker that he couldn’t seriously consider doing anything in the frontcourt.

2) LeBron is also his team's defensive quarterback.

Scottie Pippen was the Chicago Bulls defensive quarterback, not Michael Jordan.

LeBron has been the defensive quarterback on all of his teams since 2008.

So it’s the same old story: LeBron can do everything on defense and Jordan couldn’t.

Defensive versatility doesn't equal good defense, which is why lebron hasn't been all-defense in 7 years... he isn't a good defender, so he doesn't get all-defense... he's a place-holder, aka replacement-level defense on 5 positions

And MJ got more dpoy votes every year than pippen, while being the primary defender on the opponent's best player, and raising pippen from a baby in 88' as the league's best defender.. heck, MJ was #2 for dpoy in 93', while pippen got no votes

[Roundball_Rock]

And MJ got more dpoy votes every year than pippen

This is yet another blatant lie.

[SouBeachTalents]

Defensive versatility doesn't equal good defense, which is why lebron hasn't been all-defense in 7 years... he isn't a good defender, so he doesn't get all-defense... he's a place-holder, aka replacement-level defense on 5 positions

And MJ got more dpoy votes every year than pippen, while being the primary defender on the opponent's best player, and raising pippen from a baby in 88' as the league's best defender.. heck, MJ was #2 for dpoy in 93', while pippen got no votes

Jordan finishing 2nd in DPOY in '93 is such a fcking joke

[3ball]

This is yet another blatant lie.

DPOY VOTING

1988.... MJ (1st).... Pip (none)
1989.... MJ (5th).... Pip (none)
1990.... MJ (5th).... Pip (none)
1991.... MJ (7th).... Pip (7th)
1992.... MJ (3rd).... Pip (3rd)
1993.... MJ (2nd)... Pip (none)
1996.... MJ (5th).... Pip (2nd)
1997.... MJ (5th).... Pip (4th)
1998.... MJ (4th).... Pip (9th)

^^^^ MJ was clearly considered the better defender AT THE TIME, and Pippen's defensive capabilities have been vastly overrated by revisionist historians since... ... the dpoy voting and various other sources (like the NBA) confirm the actual sentiment at the time (that MJ was the Bulls' best defender)

the reason for the revisionist history is simple: when new fans (including media) first heard about MJ's 6 rings, they looked up his roster and didn't see the star-laden cast they expected, or great stats from a sidekick.... so they concluded that Pippen's defense offset the lack of star power or good offensive stats

But this is simply ignorance about what was actually happening at the time, and basketball in general.. AD is a better defender than pippen, yet he can't score like Pippen and the Lakers win.. the Lakers need great offense from him regardless of his dpoy-level defense

the reality is that the 1st three-peat Bulls were only ranked 7th defensively, so many guys had better defensive help than MJ, including Clyde's Blazers.. infact, every Finals and ECF opponent had a better defense during the 1st three-peat, except the Suns and 93' Cavs..

[3ball]

Jordan finishing 2nd in DPOY in '93 is such a fcking joke

Why?

Because you said so?

Because you don't want it to be?

Everyone said MJ was the goat defender back then.. Of all time and certainly in any given season... This was common thinking and people said it off-hand all the time

Look hard enough on YouTube and there's tons of people saying MJ is the goat defender

[Ainosterhaspie]

LeBron hasn't won any all-NBA defense the last several years because he's going to the finals every year instead of quitting the game for two years to rest and recharge. He amps up his defense in the playoffs with virtuoso performances like 2016 Jordan couldn't dream of touching. Jordan winning regular season popularity contest awards doesn't mean anything.

[SouBeachTalents]

Why?

Because you said so?

Because you don't want it to be?

Everyone said MJ was the goat defender back then.. Of all time and certainly in any given season... This was common thinking and people said it off-hand all the time

Look hard enough on YouTube and there's tons of people saying MJ is the goat defender

Only Jordan fanboys would believe Jordan was a better defender than Robinson

And you're really using the youtube comment section to back your claim What, you couldn't find anything on yahoo answers?

[3ball]

LeBron hasn't won any all-NBA defense the last several years because he's going to the finals every year instead of quitting the game for two years to rest and recharge. He amps up his defense in the playoffs with virtuoso performances like 2016 Jordan couldn't dream of touching. Jordan winning regular season popularity contest awards doesn't mean anything.

Oh I see

he takes the regular season off, so we shouldn't consider him an underdog in 16' and should go with the preseason odds (cavs were favored)??

got it