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    Quote Originally Posted by RRR3 View Post
    Bernie wants to reform capitalism. If he was a socialist he’d want to abolish it. Again, this is very basic stuff. I’m sorry you think Bernie is automatically what he says he is, but his policies clearly show he’s a social democrat similar to many European countries. They favor a mixed economy. They aren’t leftists or right wingers they’re in the middle. Learn the basic economic political spectrum, dude.
    most of europe are actual free market neoliberal countries lol (that includes the nordic ones btw)

    Also Biden literally would be just like Macron from france, a guy who's far from right wing

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    Quote Originally Posted by CelticBaller View Post
    most of europe are actual free market neoliberal countries lol (that includes the nordic ones btw)

    Also Biden literally would be just like Macron from france, a guy who's far from right wing
    Tell us more about how Malcolm X was right wing and Bernie is literally a communist

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    when did I say he was commie? I said he was far left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CelticBaller View Post
    when did I say he was commie? I said he was far left.
    There isn’t a single far left politician in America that has any relevance. Then again you’re a Biden fan, we can’t expect you to know politics.

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    people who literally get paid to be politicians and study politics : Bernie is far left

    Goverment officials: Bernie is far left (https://theweek.com/speedreads/89694...-official-says)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CelticBaller View Post
    people who literally get paid to be politicians and study politics : Bernie is far left

    Goverment officials: Bernie is far left (https://theweek.com/speedreads/89694...-official-says)

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    He's moving out soon...remember.

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    people who literally get paid to be politicians and study politics : Bernie is far left

    Goverment officials: Bernie is far left (https://theweek.com/speedreads/89694...-official-says)

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    Bernie is too far left according to a country you already called neoliberal and right wing propaganda stations (CNN, MSNBC) you get all your information from. Wow such great evidence You literally can’t be far left if you’re not for abolishing capitalism. You could call Bernie center left but that’s it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CelticBaller View Post
    Not necessarily, thereís things such as Auth left and lib left. Bernie falls more on the lib left but heís clearly not for capitalism as heís been on record condemning it and praising socialist countries

    Again, countries that are clearly on the left to us donít even want to associate with Bernie. That should tell you enough
    The issue is a lot of people confuse socialism, communism, etc. These are not easy concepts to wrap your mind around so it's understandable.

    Socialism is not the opposite of capitalism. There are of course levels to socialism, but in general, socialism is a broad-spectrum term that could have some capitalism or not have capitalism or be somewhat mixed (mixed are some European countries*). Socialism tends to socialize production of goods but you can still have money in socialist countries (consumption is not typically socialized, only production is). That's what the left looks like, and relative to our current economy, that would be very left sure. Unfortunately, that's not the most extreme left you can get. The most extreme left you can get is communism.

    Communism is socialized production AND socialized consumption - there is no money in communist countries. No money is what the actual extreme left looks like (that is much farther left than even Bernie Sanders or USSR/China/etc). So technically there has never been a truly communist country, where money would not exist. All of the countries we consider 'communist' (USSR, China, NK, Cuba) have had money to buy/sell goods so they were more socialist authoritarian countries rather than true communism. Bernie's views are far left but not as far left as USSR/China back in the day and certainly not true communism left.

    We have never seen true communism in practice afaik (maybe hunter-gatherer groups pre-civilization could be considered that, but those were extended families rather than entire nations). I also don't believe true communism would ever work, especially considering that humans are greedy by nature & corrupt easily. Communism wouldn't work because everyone would sooner or later want more share for themselves or their family - there is no way around that fact.


    *We can argue America is somewhat mixed too as is most of the other countries around the world because we have medicare, medicaid, social security. Those are socialist programs. Ultimately, we are on the low range of the spectrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CelticBaller View Post
    people who literally get paid to be politicians and study politics : Bernie is far left

    Goverment officials: Bernie is far left (https://theweek.com/speedreads/89694...-official-says)

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    On a purely economic scale of 1 to 10 with 1 being true communism and 10 being corporatism as the two extremes.. Keep in mind I'm not considering politics or social aspects - only purely economics.

    Bernie would probably be a 4.
    USSR in its heyday post-Stalin would be a 3, sometimes 2.5.

    Biden around 7.
    Trump around 8.

    Our economics has been getting closer and closer to corporatism as a nation for past 4-5 decades. We are not there yet thankfully, but well on the way.

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    I'd say Biden is a 6, he has always advocated for high tax rates on corporations. a 7 would be someone like Trump. 8 would probably be Mitt Romney or Rand Paul and 9+ are just libertarian's who dgaf

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