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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster View Post
    I understand that concern and I think that radicalism and race hate on each side of the political spectrum is bad. But do you consider the voice of far right wingers a big threat in the US?
    Everyone who supported Obama also supported the "war on terrorism", no? The whole thing was a huge psy op done through the media. The constant scare and worry channeled out for the public accompanied with words of righteousness and how the US politicians will fix it for everyone by dropping more bombs.
    It was not long ago, that they even managed to get people on the left to argue against removing troops from the Middle East - what would have been perceived as a good thing by almost everyone before 2016, was now the wrong thing to do. Talk about a clown world mind****.

    IMO there's some important distinctions to be made.

    There are good things about nationalism, which has nothing to do with race. If you take the name of countries out of it, it becomes about supporting people around you which I think is a good thing.
    The whole idea of globalism and mass production on the other side of the planet, with major use of shipping routes both by sea, land and air, to move that produce to where it's consumed is bad for the world. It's unnecessary for the climate considerations and it's a system where a major part of the profit ends up in the hand of a few people who don't have the same values as you, which then in turn leads to those people making use of this money to treat a large part of their citizens horribly. I've been to China in places where they produce a lot of stuff, it's horrible there.
    You could legitimately use this same argument against capitalism in America. Major corporations like Walmart, Amazon, etc. extract money from communities all across the nation and in every city that these companies are headquartered we see massive poverty, homelessness, discrimination, and every other social ailment that plagues our country. I'm by no means defending China because that country is obviously authoritarian and abjectly horrible, in a much more obvious way, but the US has been terrible to large swaths of our country for generations yet we refuse to acknowledge it.

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    In the same sense of supporting people around you, you should also support and align with people you share skills with.
    Bernie always talks about Denmark, how it's a great mix of socialism and capitalism. I've been there a couple times as well, and by all accounts it's a lovely place.
    But Bernie is not being real about it when he talks about a law for minimum wage, they don't have that in Denmark. What they do is that they live in much more solidarity towards each other, within fields of work means unionizing and from there they can manage to require proper payment for the work they do - which is why it's one of the places that are still hanging on to a strong middle class longer than most other Western countries, even though globalist mechanisms sadly having been gaining steam there as well in the last decade.

    But no matter what I can't support greedy wars, and we have all the information available to us that we know that the same group of people all worked together on destroying the middle east for 15 years. It's madness to vote for any one of them again and it's irresponsible for the US public towards the rest of the world to do so.

    Landslide for Trump, a political purge within the Democratic party, that would be the best thing that could happen right now and then we might have a party worth voting for. How about someone like Tulsi Gabbard? She seems well grounded.
    These two thoughts legitimately don't makes sense to me when put next to each other. So your pro-union but also think the Democratic party but not the GOP needs to be purged? GOP state legislatures have gutted worker protections and the ability to unionize across the country. If you support the environment of countries like Denmark, then replicating those conditions through the current Republican party is simply not possible, and thinking otherwise is delusional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMan View Post
    Scott Atlas is not a virologist nor an expert in infectious diseases.

    You're just as crazy as your Trump stan brethren.

    And you wonder why most Americans think you guys are nuts A worldwide fake pandemic just to get rid of Trump...SMH
    1. We must follow science, data, and common sense. He is an expert in following science, data, common sense, and public policy. If a person does not follow science, data, and common sense, then I don't care what their title is; they should not lead.

    2. For the third time, I never said it was a worldwide fake pandemic just to get rid of Trump. I said this to you before on page 3: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...am-saved/page4 but I think you dodged the original question. I'm still interested in hearing your estimate.

    3. You continue to post about COVID & Trump, yet you seem to still have no clue what is going on. Please re-read my post again. Also, read this post to become better informed:

    http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1#post14168728

    Quote Originally Posted by Cleverness View Post
    Wrong. That conspiracy was debunked the day it came out (see below).



    Trump's instincts were correct. But instead of following his instincts, he (and his swamp team) chose Tony Fauci to lead us:

    Still waiting for your response here, itsmillertime: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...rus-Team-saved





    And it was never that bad. Total COVID-19 Hospitalization still LESS than 2018 flu season. ^
    4. https://twitter.com/DowdEdward/statu...771825152?s=19

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    Quote Originally Posted by highwhey View Post
    im voting for hungter biden

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster View Post
    jill sittin' there like:


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster View Post
    lol news?

    It's just a post, like plenty of the ones written here about Trump, Russia and Putin.
    The Republican Party has lost its mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jailblazers7 View Post
    You could legitimately use this same argument against capitalism in America. Major corporations like Walmart, Amazon, etc. extract money from communities all across the nation and in every city that these companies are headquartered we see massive poverty, homelessness, discrimination, and every other social ailment that plagues our country. I'm by no means defending China because that country is obviously authoritarian and abjectly horrible, in a much more obvious way, but the US has been terrible to large swaths of our country for generations yet we refuse to acknowledge it.
    I do use the same argument about corporate America and I agree 100% with what you say, but we can't fix everything at once.
    There is a push happening to try and enlighten people on buying from small shops instead of the big corporate boxes built around a parking lot. That's one part of it, but the other is to get cheap foreign products built in a system which gravitates towards slavery like conditions. I think that most of the major corporations also benefit from cheap overseas products on a whole different scale than small business owners as well.

    If most large American companies sold products produced in the US, while small business does the same, you'll have an option between the two.
    There's never an option between buying "local Chinese" so to speak, those products will always come from the other side of the world.

    Also, I'm not advocating 100% nationalism, it's good that things can come from other countries, it just can't be the norm.
    I think I've used the example previously here in the thread, that there's nothing inherently good about a product like televisions, e.g Samsung TV's all being produced in China and then sent around the world - except for Samsung that is.


    These two thoughts legitimately don't makes sense to me when put next to each other. So your pro-union but also think the Democratic party but not the GOP needs to be purged? GOP state legislatures have gutted worker protections and the ability to unionize across the country. If you support the environment of countries like Denmark, then replicating those conditions through the current Republican party is simply not possible, and thinking otherwise is delusional.
    I agree, but my thought process is the same as above: we can't fix everything at once.

    IMO we can change things, but Bernie bro's have to accept that there won't be a violent revolution, as it would get shut down, and people like me have to accept that the current politicians will probably all look over each other in some way and thus there'll never be a real push to have some of them sent to jail.

    I think that both parties needs to be purged, but it in this election it's only possible to make this happen for the democrats.

    There's been a lot of bad stuff coming from the dems in the last 4 years, and if Trump were to win in a landslide, it would force people to open their eyes and move away from the current dem leadership and thereby ending at least some of the corruption.

    If the same where to happen to repubs in this current election, I think they'd blame it all on Trump and then make the case that they need to go back to their old ways.

    If dems could fix their party, they can then come and take the power back, forcing repubs to do their purge.

    So no, we can't fix everything at once, but in this election there's only one correct path and that is not to vote in the candidate which is pure establishment and has been a big part of creating the system which we find ourselves under today. A candidate who to me seems bought by the CCP as well.

    There's plenty of room for both parties(and even more) and for people to think differently about how things in life should work, we just have to change things so the proper candidates are chosen to speak and act on behalf of the people.
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    picture of Hunter with O at 5:19 pm on Apr 4, 2016. Confirmed by Obama visitor logs. Hunter was at White House for meeting at 4:15 pm, nominally 1 on 1 with VP. (Stayed over after large event at 3:15 pm). Three days after Poroshenko visit and Shokin firing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RRR3 View Post
    Bernie is a ****ing centrist so your statement isn’t really based in reality. Hate to break it to you, bud, but you’re right wing. Learn how the political spectrum works.
    no he's not, this has been debunked several times. Even in the nordic countries they consider bernie to be extreme left

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    Quote Originally Posted by CelticBaller View Post
    no he's not, this has been debunked several times. Even in the nordic countries they consider bernie to be extreme left
    Bernie is not extreme left. An extreme left person would be a commie and against capitalism. That's not Bernie. Bernie wants some capitalism and socialism. He is not a commie but rather comes from the FDR tree of Social Democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bladefd View Post
    Bernie is not extreme left. An extreme left person would be a commie and against capitalism. That's not Bernie. Bernie wants some capitalism and socialism. He is not a commie but rather comes from the FDR tree of Social Democrats.
    Not necessarily, there’s things such as Auth left and lib left. Bernie falls more on the lib left but he’s clearly not for capitalism as he’s been on record condemning it and praising socialist countries

    Again, countries that are clearly on the left to us don’t even want to associate with Bernie. That should tell you enough

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    You literally don’t understand politics at all if you think Bernie wants to get rid of capitalism. Just because he calls himself a socialist doesn’t mean he is one. Examples of actual democratic socialists: Jawaharlal Nehru, Salvador Allende, Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RRR3 View Post
    You literally don’t understand politics at all if you think Bernie wants to get rid of capitalism. Just because he calls himself a socialist doesn’t mean he is one. Examples of actual democratic socialists: Jawaharlal Nehru, Salvador Allende, Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales.
    his sports cars and 3 homes do not look like socialism to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RRR3 View Post
    You literally donÂ’t understand politics at all if you think Bernie wants to get rid of capitalism. Just because he calls himself a socialist doesnÂ’t mean he is one. Examples of actual democratic socialists: Jawaharlal Nehru, Salvador Allende, Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales.
    ItÂ’s a literally fact that he has condemned capitalism before and called himself a socialist pre 90s. YouÂ’re the one who doesnÂ’t understand politics

    Just because you read some stupid commie book doesnÂ’t mean you know more than anybody

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigKobeFan View Post
    his sports cars and 3 homes do not look like socialism to me.
    He’s not a socialist which is literally what I’ve been saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CelticBaller View Post
    ItÂ’s a literally fact that he has condemned capitalism before and called himself a socialist pre 90s. YouÂ’re the one who doesnÂ’t understand politics

    Just because you read some stupid commie book doesnÂ’t mean you know more than anybody
    Bernie wants to reform capitalism. If he was a socialist he’d want to abolish it. Again, this is very basic stuff. I’m sorry you think Bernie is automatically what he says he is, but his policies clearly show he’s a social democrat similar to many European countries. They favor a mixed economy. They aren’t leftists or right wingers they’re in the middle. Learn the basic economic political spectrum, dude.

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