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    Default Re: Karl Malone > Charles Barkley

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Woke View Post
    Obviously.

    Barkley gets overrated because he is on TNT nowadays.
    If anything he's underrated. Most basketball fans never saw Chuck play. People associate how they are as TV analysts and combine it with their playing days. They say that X player sucks because he's a bad analyst. Chuck was a monster in his playing days.

    More recent example would be Paul Pierce. Awful analyst but was a great player in his day.

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    Default Re: Karl Malone > Charles Barkley

    Two great players without rings, then whoever went to finals more often than the other wins the comparison. Runner-ups are negative for those who've won titles, but are definitely positive for those who havent ever won at all.

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    Default Re: Karl Malone > Charles Barkley

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Woke View Post
    Obviously.

    Barkley gets overrated because he is on TNT nowadays.
    No he doesn't. Around 90 the general idea was Charles was right after MJ and Magic. Hell there were some Philly-Bulls games where Barkley looked like the best player on the floor at times.

    Nobody was putting Mailman in that conversation back then.

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    Default Re: Karl Malone > Charles Barkley

    Quote Originally Posted by RoundMoundOfReb View Post
    Bro btw, can I get an invite to the LeBron Family Group?


    Jeff edited the settings

    Can't add anyone

    The group was made before he locked everything up

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    Default Re: Karl Malone > Charles Barkley

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Woke View Post
    Obviously.

    Barkley gets overrated because he is on TNT nowadays.
    That's not the reason.

    In the late 80's the consensus was that Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan belonged in their own group as superstars who carry their teams single handedly to such an extent (this was a time when Jordan's teammates - even Pippen - were still being referred to as The Jordanaires). Charles was also very entertaining to watch, being an endearing combination of aggressive, arrogant, rash and funny. Barkley's reputation has remained high since that time.

    His selection to the Dream Team and the fact that he led the Dream Team in scoring didn't surprise anyone. His MVP season in 1993 only validated the public's existing high opinion of him as a basketball player. In fact, I'd argue that we (the people) thought so highly of Barkley that we were eager to give him the MVP in 1993. The idea made us smile.

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    Default Re: Karl Malone > Charles Barkley

    Quote Originally Posted by Wally450 View Post
    If anything he's underrated. Most basketball fans never saw Chuck play. People associate how they are as TV analysts and combine it with their playing days. They say that X player sucks because he's a bad analyst. Chuck was a monster in his playing days.

    More recent example would be Paul Pierce. Awful analyst but was a great player in his day.
    Nope, he is overrated. He wasn't better than Malone.

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    Default Re: Karl Malone > Charles Barkley

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    No he doesn't. Around 90 the general idea was Charles was right after MJ and Magic. Hell there were some Philly-Bulls games where Barkley looked like the best player on the floor at times.

    Nobody was putting Mailman in that conversation back then.
    Malone was better.

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    Default Re: Karl Malone > Charles Barkley

    Quote Originally Posted by light View Post
    That's not the reason.

    In the late 80's the consensus was that Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan belonged in their own group as superstars who carry their teams single handedly to such an extent (this was a time when Jordan's teammates - even Pippen - were still being referred to as The Jordanaires). Charles was also very entertaining to watch, being an endearing combination of aggressive, arrogant, rash and funny. Barkley's reputation has remained high since that time.

    His selection to the Dream Team and the fact that he led the Dream Team in scoring didn't surprise anyone. His MVP season in 1993 only validated the public's existing high opinion of him as a basketball player. In fact, I'd argue that we (the people) thought so highly of Barkley that we were eager to give him the MVP in 1993. The idea made us smile.
    I have never thought that highly of Barkley. He doesn't do anything for me.

    Malone was better.

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    Kind of gets boring to discuss this but we all know (ones who saw both of them) know prime & peak Barkley > Malone. Malone had a better career do to weight tranining, longevity and has cumulative numbers but Barkley was the better player. Kinda of like the MJ vs Lebron comparrison. Lebron will have better cumulative stats and better longevity but as far as dominance MJ > Lebron. Same with Barkley > Malone in terms of dominance. As someone mentioned Barkley in his prime and peak would take scrubs to wins one his own while Malone relied on Stockton Sloan System pick and rolls. BTW...Barkley was not very much liked by the media in his prime before joining the Suns reason to why he was robbed from the 1990 MVP. He was clearly the most valuable player relative to level of teamates and wins for his team. He did get the MVP in 1993 but Hakeem actually deserved that one over Barkley. I guess Chuck won that MVP do to prestige as him being along side Jordan the few players that could carry teams on their own. Barkley was a more efficient player than Malone, a better play-off performer, a better clutch performer, a better scorer, a better rebounder, a better passer, a better floor defender and stealer, a better shot blocker, a better ballhandler, a better post player, a better coast to coast player, a better slasher, had more moves, more skill etc. Malone was a better 1 on 1 defender and ft shooter. Thats about it. If you like accolades and longevity then put Malone over Barkley. If you watched them both and measure just level of play, you go with Barkley.

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    Default Re: Karl Malone > Charles Barkley

    Malone in terms of career and longevity.

    Barkley in terms of peak

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    Default Re: Karl Malone > Charles Barkley

    We rank players according to "all" factors there is in their career. So, Malone is ahead of Barkley.
    We don't use "only" peak of their prime comparing players. Just like Chris Paul will be ranked higher than Westbrook, Havlicek is ranked higher than Baylor, etc.

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    Default Re: Karl Malone > Charles Barkley

    I think in terms of peak it can go either way. Malone was a way better defender than Chuck and this seems to get lost in the shuffle. Although I will say that Malone did benefit a lot from Stockton feeding him for easy buckets.

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    Default Re: Karl Malone > Charles Barkley

    Its a shame that nobody is a dedicated fan of Malone in this site because he was really really good. Barkley is not inarguably better than a guy who gave you 30 pts 12 rebs 3asts 1.5 spg 1 bpg on around 54fg% for his peak/prime while giving much better defensive effort.

    I like how fundamentally sound he is and his blue collar work ethic but the only reason I rooted for him is I wanted the Jazz to beat the Bulls those Finals years.

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    Default Re: Karl Malone > Charles Barkley

    So you wan't to go with numbers:

    Barkley vs Malone in the Play-Offs

    23.0 PPG on 51.3% FG (Shot 55.13% Two-Point FG% at 22.5 PPG on 14.5 ...Two-Point FGAs PG), 12.9 RPG, 3.9 APG, 1.6 SPG & 0.9 BPG

    25.0 PPG on 46.3% FG (Shot 46.6% Two-Point FG% at 24.6 PPG on 19.3...Two-Point FGAs PG), 10.7 RPG, 3.2 APG, 1.3 SPG & 0.7 BPG

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    Default Re: Karl Malone > Charles Barkley

    Quote Originally Posted by Round Mound View Post
    So you wan't to go with numbers:

    Barkley vs Malone in the Play-Offs

    23.0 PPG on 51.3% FG (Shot 55.13% Two-Point FG% at 22.5 PPG on 14.5 ...Two-Point FGAs PG), 12.9 RPG, 3.9 APG, 1.6 SPG & 0.9 BPG

    25.0 PPG on 46.3% FG (Shot 46.6% Two-Point FG% at 24.6 PPG on 19.3...Two-Point FGAs PG), 10.7 RPG, 3.2 APG, 1.3 SPG & 0.7 BPG
    How about regular season totals/per game? What does their head to head numbers look like? Does your numbers show how good they were defensively?

    Like a few posters said this is basically a wash and it would be hard to prove that one is inarguably better than the other because they had different types of skillsets, strengths, weaknesses, situations etc. unless you only talk about one side of the ball.

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