Poll: Most Devastated by Trump choking away the election?

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You can just look into how much deleting Facebook and Twitter had to do that was linked to Russia...it's really undeniable.


How much did all that ACTUALLY sway the vote?...impossible to know. But I personally feel that today social media has WAY more influence than MSM does, and it's leaning more that way as the years go by as we all unplug our cables and shove our heads in our phones.

I would say that yeah maybe it's even worse in 2020, but the driving force in our insecurity over the election today is clearly Trump himself who is yelling fraud left and right and throwing out a bazillion lawsuits.

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There's a huge difference between online marketing, and outright rigging ballots after the election in every swing state to turn what was a big lead into a slight loss. One is indirect and happens all over ie MSM puts out way more anti-trump and pro-dem messages. That isn't a rig. That's just marketing. What happened in this election was an outright inside job where they only waited to count mail in ballots AFTER the election so they could know what margins they had to make up (rig).

The two aren't even remotely the same.

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There's a huge difference between online marketing, and outright rigging ballots after the election in every swing state to turn what was a big lead into a slight loss. One is indirect and happens all over ie MSM puts out way more anti-trump and pro-dem messages. That isn't a rig. That's just marketing. What happened in this election was an outright inside job where they only waited to count mail in ballots AFTER the election so they could know what margins they had to make up (rig).

The two aren't even remotely the same.

yeah exactly, that was my point.

The Russia stuff isn't an issue of vote fraud/security...it's completely different

we just got side tracked debating if it happened or not

[Nanners]

There's a huge difference between online marketing, and outright rigging ballots after the election in every swing state to turn what was a big lead into a slight loss. One is indirect and happens all over ie MSM puts out way more anti-trump and pro-dem messages. That isn't a rig. That's just marketing. What happened in this election was an outright inside job where they only waited to count mail in ballots AFTER the election so they could know what margins they had to make up (rig).

The two aren't even remotely the same.

Its also ridiculous to claim that an election was rigged by a handful of social media users posting memes on platforms like facebook and twitter in the 2016 election, while having zero problem with the fact that the people running these platforms colluded to promote one candidate and his supporters while silencing or attacking the other candidate and his supporters during the 2020 election.

[Kblaze8855]

There's a huge difference between online marketing, and outright rigging ballots after the election in every swing state to turn what was a big lead into a slight loss. One is indirect and happens all over ie MSM puts out way more anti-trump and pro-dem messages. That isn't a rig. That's just marketing. What happened in this election was an outright inside job where they only waited to count mail in ballots AFTER the election so they could know what margins they had to make up (rig).

The two aren't even remotely the same.

You should really look into who decides when to count which kinda of votes and who wanted it the way it was state by state.

[Kblaze8855]

The entire DNC field other than Biden and Bernie dropped out the day before super tuesday in 2020, and in 2016 99% of dem superdelegates endorsed Hillary before the states had even begun voting... its laughable to claim that back room deals and favor trading have any less influence today than they had at any point in this nations history. Also, the deep state (CIA mostly) has spent the past ~70 years perfecting the art of subtly rigging elections in foreign countries... 100 years ago we didnt have govt institutions whose job it was to rig elections like we do today.

Parties have always had the ability to decide among themselves who to support and have run. The level of national election dealing they used to be capable of just won’t happen today. They literally had a meeting and traded the presidency for better terms on another deal. There used to be so few voters America barely had a say.

Right or wrong choice made people have more input in modern times. One guy got all but one electoral vote because a faithless elector voted for someone else out of disgust with the process. You can’t get 85% of the popular vote without back room deals keeping you largely unopposed.

That level of shit is impossible today.

Many democrats/liberals believe that that Bush cheated Gore in 2000, many democrats/liberals believe that Trump cheated Hillary in 2016, many republicans/conservatives believe that Biden cheated Trump in 2020... if our elections are so secure then why do large segments of the country believe that there was cheating in 3/6 general elections in the past ~20 years?

For the most part?


People on both sides being brutally partisan and easily manipulated sheep.

Anyway, as warriorfan pointed out, your post is ignoring the point - If dems are going to claim that the 2016 election was rigged by russian trolls posting memes on facebook, its absurd for them to now say that it was impossible for anyone to rig/influence the 2020 election.

I feel like we have to acknowledge the incredible difference between a rig and an influence.

I don’t think you could just make up votes in the numbers required to rig an election.

I know you can influence ones because voters are human. Long as people can be manipulated an election can be influenced by people inside and outside the country.

Rigged is a whole other discussion.

[rufuspaul]

There's a huge difference between online marketing, and outright rigging ballots after the election in every swing state to turn what was a big lead into a slight loss. One is indirect and happens all over ie MSM puts out way more anti-trump and pro-dem messages. That isn't a rig. That's just marketing. What happened in this election was an outright inside job where they only waited to count mail in ballots AFTER the election so they could know what margins they had to make up (rig).

The two aren't even remotely the same.

This is so stupid. If the Dems even had the power to rig the election (they don't) then why would they let Republicans pick up seats in the House? Either the Dems are really bad a rigging elections or the elections were fair and more people were pissed at Trump than they were at Republicans down the ballot.

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This is so stupid. If the Dems even had the power to rig the election (they don't) then why would they let Republicans pick up seats in the House? Either the Dems are really bad a rigging elections or the elections were fair and more people were pissed at Trump than they were at Republicans down the ballot.

yep that's been said...the fact that the GOP made so much headway in the House and Senate is basically proof that the votes are legit.

Lots of Republicans (like you I assume) voted straight red with the exception of Trump.

Also speaking of Russia...if the Dems had so much power in rigging they would have simply linked Trump to Russia and had him ousted that way.

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This is so stupid. If the Dems even had the power to rig the election (they don't) then why would they let Republicans pick up seats in the House? Either the Dems are really bad a rigging elections or the elections were fair and more people were pissed at Trump than they were at Republicans down the ballot.

The house and senate are setup so that both sides stonewall each other... whichever president wins usually has the opposite side winning in congress. It's set up that way, the two party system is a farce with a ruling class that sits above them. (the money) Obviously the richest and most powerful people would rather have Biden in as president a lame duck puppet... instead of Trump firing from the hip all day and not listening to them. And yes, they absolutely could rig the election. This mail in voting, not winning on election day charade hasn't happened in modern history. We're talking 5-7 swing states and basically the entirety of what would win the election since everywhere else leans too far one way or the other. Trump killed him on election day and then they started counting votes they got weeks ago to make up the difference. If they had done the counting before, there would be no claim for cheating but this was just out right in the open rigging.

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Parties have always had the ability to decide among themselves who to support and have run. The level of national election dealing they used to be capable of just won’t happen today. They literally had a meeting and traded the presidency for better terms on another deal. There used to be so few voters America barely had a say.

Right or wrong choice made people have more input in modern times.

lol... your defense of the dems rigging/cheating of their own primary is that they have always been corrupt? If the modern dem party can rig their primary in order to make their own decision about who is going to be the candidate, then how exactly do their voters have more input in modern times?

For the most part?


People on both sides being brutally partisan and easily manipulated sheep.

we agree that there are lots of sheep in this country

I feel like we have to acknowledge the incredible difference between a rig and an influence.

I don’t think you could just make up votes in the numbers required to rig an election.

I know you can influence ones because voters are human. Long as people can be manipulated an election can be influenced by people inside and outside the country.

Rigged is a whole other discussion.

Obviously there is a huge difference. Influence is impossible to prevent in the modern internet age, it is inherently vague and difficult to prove. Rigging is much easier to prevent, and its relatively easy to prove compared to proving any kind of meaningful influence.

Our CIA has rigged votes in countless countries around the world over the past ~70 years, often utilizing methods like ballot stuffing... the idea that US elections are somehow immune to rigging is laughable.

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This is so stupid. If the Dems even had the power to rig the election (they don't) then why would they let Republicans pick up seats in the House? Either the Dems are really bad a rigging elections or the elections were fair and more people were pissed at Trump than they were at Republicans down the ballot.

Obviously the dems alone dont have power to rig the election - they were helped by the media, the deep state, the billionaires/oligarchs... and almost every other person or institution with any kind of significant power in this country.

Anyway, did you consider that perhaps its easier to rig one election than dozens of them? Perhaps the dem establishment doesnt feel like its necessary to rig the house since they know the vast majority of house republicans will support them on the votes that their donors truly care about - more wars and funding for the millitary industrial complex, more tax cuts and bailouts for the rich, preventing the middle class from receiving affordable healthcare... etc.

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Obviously the dems alone dont have power to rig the election - they were helped by the media, the deep state, the billionaires/oligarchs... and almost every other person or institution with any kind of significant power in this country.

Anyway, did you consider that perhaps its easier to rig one election than dozens of them? Perhaps the dem establishment doesnt feel like its necessary to rig the house since they know the vast majority of house republicans will support them on the votes that their donors truly care about - more wars and funding for the millitary industrial complex, more tax cuts and bailouts for the rich, preventing the middle class from receiving affordable healthcare... etc.

huh? the votes are all on the same ballot...if they were rigged for Biden then the riggers took the time to mark GOP on everything else which makes no sense. They gain 10 seats in the House.

it's also been pointed out that if Trump actually got all the votes obsolete that he wants the Republicans would lose some of those seats

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huh? the votes are all on the same ballot...if they were rigged for Biden then the riggers took the time to mark GOP on everything else which makes no sense. They gain 10 seats in the House.

it's also been pointed out that if Trump actually got all the votes obsolete that he wants the Republicans would lose some of those seats

Or the riggers (nice word lol) just marked Biden and left the rest of the ballot blank

Or some percentage of ballots that were marked Trump were counted as Biden votes by the vote machines

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This is so stupid. If the Dems even had the power to rig the election (they don't) then why would they let Republicans pick up seats in the House? Either the Dems are really bad a rigging elections or the elections were fair and more people were pissed at Trump than they were at Republicans down the ballot.

You voted for Biden didn’t you?

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There's a huge difference between online marketing, and outright rigging ballots after the election in every swing state to turn what was a big lead into a slight loss. One is indirect and happens all over ie MSM puts out way more anti-trump and pro-dem messages. That isn't a rig. That's just marketing. What happened in this election was an outright inside job where they only waited to count mail in ballots AFTER the election so they could know what margins they had to make up (rig).

The two aren't even remotely the same.

So you discard the 100 million mail-in-ballots/early votes with majority of them by democrats/independents?