View Poll Results: Which team is stronger?

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  • 93 Suns(62-20)

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  • 96 Supersonics(64-18)

    6 31.58%
  • 18 Warriors(58-24)

    12 63.16%
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    Default If the 18 Warriors are a superteam, how about 93 Suns & 96 Supersonics?

    The 17 Warriors are a superteam indeed, but how about the 18 Warriors that only won 58 games? They were beaten once by the Spurs without Kawhi and the Pelicans team that was built to be weak against the Warriors. Lets not even mention the Rockets team that took them to 7 games, only lost because of losing Chris Paul in the last 2 games. Are they considered a superteam just because they swept Lebron in the finals?

    If we just judge by the performance in the regular season, and the playoffs in western conferences, I could easily add 2 more superteams in league history: the 93 Suns which won 62 games and the 96 Supersonics which won 64 games. Why no one ever mentioned them as superteams? 'cause they lost, they were beaten by the GOAT known as MJ. If we replace MJ by Lebron, these two would surely be remembered as superteams that 'even MJ cant beat'. Its ludicrous, either way you look at it.


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    Default Re: If the 18 Warriors are a superteam, how about 93 Suns & 96 Supersonics?

    I'm sick of hearing about the Warriors

    it'd be nice if people would accept the fact that the '96 Bulls were a better team than any of those manufactured cake Warriors teams

    first of all, the Warriors sucked at transition defense and additionally, gave up many points on defense
    since the '96 Bulls were the best (*or maybe second-best after the '87 Lakers) transition offense of all-time, they would run all day on the Warriors poor transition defense - they'd probably even run up the score this would be such a walkover when the Bulls ran

    on the other hand, the '96 Bulls were also the best transition defense of all-time and best perimeter defense of all-time, so the Warriors wouldn't run well on the Bulls in transition

    everyone was dazzled by the Warriors dazzling display of perimeter ball movement in half-court sets and dazzling shooting displays out of this offense - so what? it wouldn't work against the Bulls - the '96 Bulls are too tall and too long (they're the longest team in NBA history) for the Warriors to shoot over unlike the comp they played against. the '96 Bulls had too much chemistry on defense so they were TOO GOOD AT ROTATING on the court to find an open Warriors shot easily. Harper is the 4th best defender on the team and his armspan is 6'11". Jordan (6'10" armspan) guards Curry, Pippen (7'4" armspan) guards Durant, Rodman (7'0" armspan) guards Thompson or switches off with Harper (6'11" armspan). The Warriors don't have players with armspans like those, so they'd have trouble even getting their shots off. btw it looks like they could double team Curry a lot of the time with a defense like this.

    additionally, the '96 Bulls played against the tallest starting lineup in NBA history - the '96 Orlando Magic - swept them 4-0 in the East Finals (not to mention then went up 3-0 on a 64-18 Sonics superteam - that's the best record of a team that didn't win the league championship)

    additionally, the Warriors, unlike the '96 Bulls, were grossly over budget with their players' salary payroll

    additionally, the Warriors set illegal screens on offense that enabled their perimeter offense, centered around pristine shooters like Curry and Thompson, to work as well as it did

    additionally, Kevin Durant cheated the whole time he played for Golden State by extending his forearm on offense to garner extra points for his team

    additionally, the Bulls didn't even try an efficient offensive scheme unlike the Warriors (who were trying more in earnest to win every game). The Triangle offense, predicated around Michael Jordan's jump shooting skills, as great as they were, doesn't suggest that the team will win the games. He shot fadeaways for three straight years and the team still won debacles all the time. Which shows just how efficient of a shooter Michael Jordan was. The Bulls team went relatively unchanged for those three years btw, so it's not like the Warriors achieved some historical rarified air that the Bulls never did.

    the Bulls would clown the Warriors
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    Default Re: If the 18 Warriors are a superteam, how about 93 Suns & 96 Supersonics?

    Quote Originally Posted by 72-10 View Post
    I'm sick of hearing about the Warriors

    it'd be nice if people would accept the fact that the '96 Bulls were a better team than any of those manufactured cake Warriors teams

    first of all, the Warriors sucked at transition defense and additionally, gave up many points on defense
    since the '96 Bulls were the best (*or maybe second-best after the '87 Lakers) transition offense of all-time, they would run all day on the Warriors poor transition defense - they'd probably even run up the score this would be such a walkover when the Bulls ran

    on the other hand, the '96 Bulls were also the best transition defense of all-time and best perimeter defense of all-time, so the Warriors wouldn't run well on the Bulls in transition

    everyone was dazzled by the Warriors dazzling display of perimeter ball movement in half-court sets and dazzling shooting displays out of this offense - so what? it wouldn't work against the Bulls - the '96 Bulls are too tall and too long (they're the longest team in NBA history) for the Warriors to shoot over unlike the comp they played against. the '96 Bulls had too much chemistry on defense so they were TOO GOOD AT ROTATING on the court to find an open Warriors shot easily. Harper is the 4th best defender on the team and his armspan is 6'11". Jordan (6'10" armspan) guards Curry, Pippen (7'4" armspan) guards Durant, Rodman (7'0" armspan) guards Thompson or switches off with Harper (6'11" armspan). The Warriors don't have players with armspans like those, so they'd have trouble even getting their shots off. btw it looks like they could double team Curry a lot of the time with a defense like this.

    additionally, the '96 Bulls played against the tallest starting lineup in NBA history - the '96 Orlando Magic - swept them 4-0 in the East Finals (not to mention then went up 3-0 on a 64-18 Sonics superteam - that's the best record of a team that didn't win the league championship)

    additionally, the Warriors, unlike the '96 Bulls, were grossly over budget with their players' salary payroll

    additionally, the Warriors set illegal screens on offense that enabled their perimeter offense, centered around pristine shooters like Curry and Thompson, to work as well as it did

    additionally, Kevin Durant cheated the whole time he played for Golden State by extending his forearm on offense to garner extra points for his team

    additionally, the Bulls didn't even try an efficient offensive scheme unlike the Warriors (who were trying more in earnest to win every game). The Triangle offense, predicated around Michael Jordan's jump shooting skills, as great as they were, doesn't suggest that the team will win the games. He shot fadeaways for three straight years and the team still won debacles all the time. Which shows just how efficient of a shooter Michael Jordan was. The Bulls team went relatively unchanged for those three years btw, so it's not like the Warriors achieved some historical rarified air that the Bulls never did.

    the Bulls would clown the Warriors
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    Default Re: If the 18 Warriors are a superteam, how about 93 Suns & 96 Supersonics?

    the '96 Seattle SuperSonics is one of the strongest starting lineups of all-time - all five starters might make the Hall. Even if you didn't witness the team you can see from the point production of the starting five that it's one of the best - each of the starting five got at least 12 points per game. At this point in his career, the typically-solid, reliable and versatile Perkins was extending his offensive game to step out and hit some threes. Additionally, they had Mr. Sonic himself, Nate McMillan, injured much of the year, in reserve.

    They ran roughshod over the West that year, and it's the second-best record (after the 2016 Warriors) of all-time for a team that didn't win the league championship.

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    Default Re: If the 18 Warriors are a superteam, how about 93 Suns & 96 Supersonics?

    Quote Originally Posted by 72-10 View Post
    the '96 Seattle SuperSonics is one of the strongest starting lineups of all-time - all five starters might make the Hall. Even if you didn't witness the team you can see from the point production of the starting five that it's one of the best - each of the starting five got at least 12 points per game. At this point in his career, the typically-solid, reliable and versatile Perkins was extending his offensive game to step out and hit some threes. Additionally, they had Mr. Sonic himself, Nate McMillan, injured much of the year, in reserve.

    They ran roughshod over the West that year, and it's the second-best record (after the 2016 Warriors) of all-time for a team that didn't win the league championship.
    Yeah, and most people dont remember them at all because they lost to the Bulls. If they were to replace the Warriors in 2018, they'd end up sweeping Lebron in the finals. Then we would be witnessing endless posts of what a superteam Seattle Supersonics were, and how MJ could not have won against them.

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    Default Re: If the 18 Warriors are a superteam, how about 93 Suns & 96 Supersonics?

    Quote Originally Posted by 72-10 View Post
    the '96 Seattle SuperSonics is one of the strongest starting lineups of all-time - all five starters might make the Hall. Even if you didn't witness the team you can see from the point production of the starting five that it's one of the best - each of the starting five got at least 12 points per game. At this point in his career, the typically-solid, reliable and versatile Perkins was extending his offensive game to step out and hit some threes. Additionally, they had Mr. Sonic himself, Nate McMillan, injured much of the year, in reserve.

    They ran roughshod over the West that year, and it's the second-best record (after the 2016 Warriors) of all-time for a team that didn't win the league championship.
    The 1972 Bucks and 1973 Celtics had better records. 1997 Jazz also won 64 games too.

    But I get your point...

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    Default Re: If the 18 Warriors are a superteam, how about 93 Suns & 96 Supersonics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddlovesnets View Post
    Yeah, and most people dont remember them at all because they lost to the Bulls. If they were to replace the Warriors in 2018, they'd end up sweeping Lebron in the finals. Then we would be witnessing endless posts of what a superteam Seattle Supersonics were, and how MJ could not have won against them.
    On second thought, I wouldn't call the Sonics a superteam since they weren't over payroll probably at all (unlike the Warriors teams, which were grossly over payroll). Also, the Sonics drafted their team and built team chemistry instead of colluding two of the league's top five players at the time.

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    Default Re: If the 18 Warriors are a superteam, how about 93 Suns & 96 Supersonics?

    Too bad the '93 & '96 western champs didn't even make b2b finals trips tho

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    Default Re: If the 18 Warriors are a superteam, how about 93 Suns & 96 Supersonics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Too bad the '93 & '96 western champs didn't even make b2b finals trips tho
    Because they were defeated by MJ, and they lost their confidence and did not develop the champions mindset in the following year. Had Lebron beat the Warriors in 2015, they would be nowhere near as good in 2016, likely missing out the Finals. Then in 2017 they would not have landed Durant, a lot of things would've been different.
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    Default Re: If the 18 Warriors are a superteam, how about 93 Suns & 96 Supersonics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Too bad the '93 & '96 western champs didn't even make b2b finals trips tho
    that's due to the Jazz, numbskull

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    Default Re: If the 18 Warriors are a superteam, how about 93 Suns & 96 Supersonics?

    Quote Originally Posted by 72-10 View Post
    that's due to the Jazz, numbskull
    You do realize he didn't mention that team in the op?

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    Default Re: If the 18 Warriors are a superteam, how about 93 Suns & 96 Supersonics?

    They were only a superteam against Lebron. The Rockets and Spurs could hang with them.

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    Default Re: If the 18 Warriors are a superteam, how about 93 Suns & 96 Supersonics?

    Actually, it really is the '96 Sonics since they didn't cheat for the entirety of the season.

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    Default Re: If the 18 Warriors are a superteam, how about 93 Suns & 96 Supersonics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddlovesnets View Post
    The 17 Warriors are a superteam indeed, but how about the 18 Warriors that only won 58 games? They were beaten once by the Spurs without Kawhi and the Pelicans team that was built to be weak against the Warriors. Lets not even mention the Rockets team that took them to 7 games, only lost because of losing Chris Paul in the last 2 games. Are they considered a superteam just because they swept Lebron in the finals?

    If we just judge by the performance in the regular season, and the playoffs in western conferences, I could easily add 2 more superteams in league history: the 93 Suns which won 62 games and the 96 Supersonics which won 64 games. Why no one ever mentioned them as superteams? 'cause they lost, they were beaten by the GOAT known as MJ. If we replace MJ by Lebron, these two would surely be remembered as superteams that 'even MJ cant beat'. Its ludicrous, either way you look at it.

    Superteams have nothing to do with regular season records. A superteam is more likely to take the regular season less seriously as they are usually playoff focused.

    The reason no one mentions the 93 Suns or the 96 Sonics as superteams is because they only had 1 hall of famer on each team - Barkley and Payton.

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    Default Re: If the 18 Warriors are a superteam, how about 93 Suns & 96 Supersonics?

    Dallas beat a Superteam with a German leading them.

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