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    David Locke
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    According to @ActionNetworkHQ the Jazz over under for the season is 42 wins. Before you freak out it is a 72 game season so that is the same as a 49 win over under. Now are you freaking out.
    Pay tax for a 49 win team?

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    https://www.deseret.com/sports/2020/...-extension-nba

    On a certain level, I get why fans would be worried that Mitchell could potentially leave. But, Mitchell didnít have to agree to this extension. If he wanted to leave he could have made that clear this week.
    If he doesn't live up to the contract which right now he certainly hasn't earned they might be happy if he leaves

    In March there were fans who believed a minor spat between Mitchell and Rudy Gobert was the breaking point and that Mitchell was all but gone. It wasnít and he didnít.
    In June, when Mitchellís Juneteenth Instagram post was a breeding ground for racist and hateful comments, there were many who thought that Mitchell would leave Utah. He didnít.
    He can't without risking injury and accepting one more year before becoming unrestricted. Be different next go around. Hayward tried to leave and couldn't until he could

    Maybe the Jazz pushed back and maybe they went back and forth on the matter. We donít know exactly what negotiations looked like on this deal. If they had continued to deliberate the matter maybe they wouldnít have been able to agree by the Dec. 21 deadline and then would have had to go into negotiations with Gobert without knowing if they were going to be able to build around Mitchell.

    it's Rudy's teams still as much as everyone hates it

    In the end, the Jazz agreed to keep their franchise player, the cornerstone of their roster, through the 2024-25 season. Thatís not bad business or a sign of weakness.

    you've become the worst of the local beat writers by far!

    What the player option does is literally what its name implies. Mitchell will have the option to evaluate the situation after the 2024-25 season and decide if things are good here in Utah. A hypothetical: What if Gobert breaks his leg and the Jazz arenít in the playoffs and other players are demanding trades?
    what if he just tweeks his knee and misses a month or two like he has? The Jazz were horrible during those 3 separate months over two years. No reason to think it would be and different now with their franchise cornerstone player!

    Derrick Favors was gone already and wanted to come back. Jordan Clarkson could have left, could have signed a shorter deal, but he wants to be here. For a small-market team to create an environment where players want to be is no small feat. They are also signing star players to deals that give the players some flexibility and power over their own future. Agents and players pay attention to those sorts of things.

    not sure they had much choice. Anyone else offer them close to those amounts? Anyone else going to let Clarkson play like he does?

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    Trevor: The 2019-20 Jazz beat several contenders including the Milwaukee Bucks, the Miami Heat, and the Houston Rockets. The team knows that it can compete with most contenders, but in order to truly contend, the teamís Net Rating needs improvement. Bringing back Favors and retaining Clarkson makes this a true possibility, as the Jazz can now offer 48 minutes of solid play from their big men. The Jazz were embarrassed by the Lakers every time the teams met last year, so Iím not ready to say that they will be able to compete with the Lakers. This Jazz team can compete with any other team, however. Whether the Jazz have a chance against the Lakers depends on their ability to score against the elite length of the Lakers defense. That will be a tough task, but then again itís never easy to win the NBA championship.

    Besides for the Denver series they weren't good against anyone but bad teams. They certainly can't play with the Laker which is why they tanked to play Denver. Favors just causes other issues even if they can play big against them now

    David: The Lakers have had a stellar offseason and are clearly head and shoulders above all the other teams in the Western Conference. After that, however, it would not surprise to see the Jazz finish as high as #2 or #3. They have a high quality eight-man rotation complete with two All-Star/All-NBA talents. Mitchell seemed to turn a switch in the Playoffs, something that could carry over into this season. Gobert will be motivated to reclaim his Defensive Player of the Year status. Conley will come into the year comfortable and ready, while Bogdanovicís return will be a massive positive. Add in the reunion with Favors and perhaps some solid internal improvement in the young players, Utah will be able to compete with most of the West.

    the bubble isn't the same as regular NBA play. I'd say they have 3 guys that play both ends of the floor and one is the backup center or starting 4 spotting up in the corner and the other is out of position as their 6'4" PF. Ingles sort of fits into that but his game has dropped off and he needs to play a smaller role which could mean more Clarkson! I think a the young guys could help but again they will be at the end of the rotation at best. Not sure Bojan's return makes them better other than less minutes for Clarkson hopefully.


    Steve: The Lakers got better and will return their two All-NBA talents. Across the hall are the Clippers, who are still a really good team. Itís hard to speak on the Rockets and the Warriors at this time, but I am confident that weíll see the usual Portland-Denver-Utah kind of conversation as Dallas pokes around, too. Ceiling? 3rd seed, but itís more likely, in my estimation, that the Jazz end up without home court advantage as a 5th or 6th seed next spring.

    sounds like a tax well paid!

    Jake: As shown in the bubble, Utah has the potential to compete with some of the top competition in the NBA. The Jazz led and at times looked dominant against the Nuggets, in a 3-1 series which inevitably they werenít able to finish out. That same Nuggets team knocked off the Clippers who many supposed to be a serious title contender. The Jazz have enough talent, but lack star power, a deep bench and key role players. Mitchell and Gobert were absolutely fantastic in the playoffs, but the level to which they were performing wasnít sustainable. Even last yearís champions, the Los Angeles Lakers, had some of the most effective role players in the game. I would expect the Jazz front-office to make a few more moves in the off-season if they are hoping to bring a title back to Salt Lake City.
    not exactly what I saw in the bubble. I saw them tank to play one team who beat them because they went big. Jazz can go big now too with Favors spotting up in the corner! Denver beating the Clipper doesn't mean the Jazz could match up with them. Again they lack versatility and size other than Favors spotting up in the corner. What moves do you expect? Batum? Brantley go a qualifing offer so I imagine he might be back and should be. Who else for that last spot?

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    Gobert isnít great at creating on the offensive end, and struggles to defend more mobile big men in the league. In my opinion, Gobertís extension should get done. The Jazz have a serious shot in the next couple of years to make a run at the title and a Western Conference Championship. For a small market team, that is something that happens every couple of years. Rarely are big time free agents interested in signing with places that have a smaller market. What is the formula for success for teams like Utah? Drafting talent and keeping them in the organization. Rudy has his flaws, but elite centers are hard to come by. Rudy Gobert deserves a contract extension from the Utah Jazz.
    who exactly does he have a hard time covering? I'd say guys bigger and stronger than him are his toughest matchups. They aren't contending with this roster. Rudy would be smart to leave


    One thing the Jazz didnít do: sign a free agent wing. Tony Jones reports that theyíre comfortable giving that last rotation spot to Miye Oni. Is he ready, or is there a remaining free agent you think is worth bumping Oni back to the deep bench?


    1 thing they didn't do is sign a starting 4 other than Favor spotting up in the corner. Oni, Brantley, Tucker and Morgan should all be in the mix. Rather have their D than Clarkson's gunning and Bojan's one dimensional play


    Kincade: This all depends on how Oni shoots the ball. Having more than one non-shooter on the court can really hurt the offense. Wing depth is something that NBA teams canít have enough of and the Jazz should look to add one more player, especially if Oni struggles with a bigger role. The picking are pretty slim now, but taking a low risk on Jonah Bolden could pay dividends, especially with the Jazz excellent developmental program. Bolden would add some size and shooting to the power forward spot.

    Especially now that Favors will be spotting up in the corner. They probably need to give up some spacing for better D. Need to find the happy medium. The D has to improve without going back to the dark days of Ricky, Crowder and Favors spotting up in the corner

    Jake: Oni has a lot of potential and played well in minutes that he received in the bubble. Regardless, if the Jazz are actually looking to be contenders in the race to the NBA Finals, or even to get a shot at the Western Conference finals, Miye Oni isnít experienced enough to compete against talented veterans coming off the bench for other teams. He needs more time to blossom into that role, rather than being thrown into it with the hopes that it might work out. With only 10 games under his belt and relatively no consequential minutes played, the Jazz should look to the remaining, slim free-agent market to fill that gap. One potential option could be Reggie Jackson. Jackson has sustained multiple injuries in recent years but could help contribute off the bench for the Jazz as an able scorer and defensive potential.

    Whoever plays he is the 9th and or 10th man. Not huge minutes regardless. Reggie isn't their guy

    Thatcher: I have the Lakers as a clear number one in the West. I think that the Jazz are in the next tier along with the Clippers, Nuggets, Mavericks, and Trail Blazers. Golden State, Houston, and the Suns are not far behind but have more question marks in my mind. Ultimately I think the Lakers are the favorites, but if things break right a team like the Jazz could make a Western Conference run and give the Lakers a challenge. It will be tight 1-9, with 12 teams competing for the playoffs. There will be no margin for error.

    Not seeing it. They probably got better depending on how much gunning Clarkson is allowed to do and how much Favors is on the court with Gobert but they still don't have a starting 4 other than Favors. Starting backcourt is still too small. Still only 3 or 4 guys that play both ends of the floor. Snyder still coach and Lindsey still president

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    Jake: Before the pandemic hit and basketball was put on an indefinite moratorium, Clarkson was a human blowtorch. In the month of February 2020, Clarkson averaged around 19.5 points per game while only playing around 25 minutes a night. Although he cooled off during the playoffs, Clarkson showed both his upside and downside in half a season with the Jazz. Simply put, he is a very streaky player that can score extremely efficiently. His contract was huge for future offensive production on a defensively focused team and with a defensively focused coach. Clarkson will be especially important when Donovan Mitchell and Bojan Bogdanovic are off the court, with a scoring ability that hasnít been in Utah for a long time.

    they've had other scorers. Not sure they've ever had anyone that they let do whatever he wants to the detriment of the team

    The Jazz also locked up Mitchell with a max extension. Will Gobertís extension get done?

    Thatcher: Yes. Utah seems all in on this team, and with Mitchellís extension, they have a 4-5 year window to prove they can contend. To me, this means getting to the conference finals or better. Gobert will help this team win in the next several years, and the only question is at what cost? I predict they will come in at a lower amount than the full supermax, but still higher than he could get elsewhere. With older players like Ingles, Bojan, and Conley on the roster, the Jazz are committing to winning now and trying to retool as these players may age out over the next 4-5 years and Mitchell progresses to his prime.
    looks like they are preparing to low ball Rudy and go with Favors and their top pick. Good luck with that!

    Kincade: The two most important items on Dennis Lindseyís offseason checklist are keeping Mitchell and Gobert. Part one is done and part two, I would expect will be announced soon. Gobertís extension is a bit more complicated since he is eligible for a super-max contract (35% percent of the cap). Having a contract of this size on the books makes team build extremely difficult. But there are ways to take care of Gobert by still giving him a super-max contract. The Jazz could offer him like 32% of the cap instead of full 35%.

    Hard to team build paying your backup center 30 million, a gunner 52, a fading role player 10 plus, a one dimensional wing 80 and an unproven fringe all star a possible super max. Rudy is the team. Pay him what you have to. Has to be more than Mitchell and what other teams can offer

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    How important was it for the Jazz to lock up Jordan Clarkson on a reported 4-year, $52 million contract?

    Thatcher: Clarkson helped turn the Jazz into a top offense in the NBA. While he had a few moments of extreme usage in the playoffs, his offensive contributions were overall a positive for Utah. He seemed to do well in the Utah system, and he gives Utah a much-needed bench scoring punch. There werenít many viable replacement options for Utah, and he will help Utah keep a top offense and buoy the bench units along with Favors and likely Ingles.
    They would have been a top offense without him. The key was having shooters around their bigs. They had shooters besides the gunner. He didn't play in the Jazz system. He played in his system

    Trevor: Itís difficult to know what other options were available to the Jazz in free agency, but given that the Jazz had Clarksonís bird rights and could offer more to him than other teams could, the Jazz retained a player that was likely more valuable than what was available to them on the market. We know that the Jazz boasted the 3rd best offense in the league in the regular season after acquiring Clarkson, and the best offense in the league before it shut down due to COVID-19. Clarkson fit like a glove on this team, since he can score in a variety of ways while playing minutes with a bench previously starved for scoring. Retaining Clarkson alters the ceiling of the Jazz much more than the floor, and he will be key to the roster if the Utah Jazz are a surprise team in 2021.

    him being key is exactly why I can't get excited about this team

    David: Clarkson injected life into a moribund Jazz bench. His ability to create was exactly what the team needed. He played some of the best basketball of his career after the trade to Utah, showing improved efficiency. Clarkson added another 3-point shooter and occasionally displayed a deft passing ability. His game certainly has flaws, such as inconsistent defense and the tendency to sometimes break away from team execution offensively. All in all, though, his return is important to what Utah is trying to accomplish. Having a guy capable of putting up 20 to 30 points off the pine on any given night is a major luxury, though it does feel like the Jazz overpaid slightly.

    Sometimes? More like rarely he played within the system. Slight overpay? Like 52 million too much!

    Kincade: Itís a lot money for a long time, but if the Jazz didnít resign Clarkson, they didnít have the cap space to bring in an adequate replacement. After the Jazz traded for Clarkson, their offense went to another level and having an offseason and training camp with this coaching staff will be huge for him. By keeping Clarkson and adding Favors, the Jazzís second team just became very potent.

    The replacement is anyone that's not him

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    https://saltcityhoops.com/staff-scri...ys-raise-more/

    How much will having Derrick Favors back (on a 3-year deal starting at the MLE) impact Utahís rotation?

    Thatcher Olson: Itís huge. Favors will be playing almost exclusively a backup center role. I expect to see him playing 15-25 minutes at most, barring an injury to Gobert. It may be a slight overpay for a backup center, but the Jazz clearly identified a weakness at backup center. They know Favors, like Favors, and Favors likes Utah. This also gives them the option to match up better against big teams like the Lakers and Nuggets.
    Believe it when I see it. They have no starting 4. You know he'll end up back there just like he did after they showed what spacing did with Johnson and the corpse of Diaw. Their weakness is no starting 4 and Favors spotting up in the corner doesn't answer that

    Trevor Gustaveson: Favorsí return to the Jazz will have a large impact on the rotation depending on how many minutes he will play. It gives them the ability in certain situations to have two bigs on the floor at the same time. They could do this previously with Tony Bradley and Juwan Morgan, but we saw that those situations were either out of necessity or experimental minutes. Now they can feature two big men on the court as a choice, rather than a last resort. Itís easy to imagine they will do this against the Los Angeles Lakers, specifically. While you might see the Jazz with similar rotations to last season, adding Favors only increases their flexibility, and an ability to dictate things defensively.

    yeah but Favors spotting up in the corner!

    Kincade Upstill: This is a pretty cool story to have arguably the most beloved Jazz player since Stockton and Malone choose to return home. Favors is a starting caliber center who will going up against opposing teamsí backup centers. This just wonít be fair. The return of the Favors/Ingles pick-and-roll will only strengthen Jazzís second unit. The defense suffered last season without Gobert on the court and now Jazz will have a full 48 minutes of high-level center play. The question is, would the Jazz have been better to spend the money on perimeter defense, like on a wing, and go with Bradley or a cheaper backup center option.

    most beloved? They needed a starting 4. Bradley was cheap and getting better. They had bigger needs which they didn't answer with anything more than Favors spotting up in the corner and number 1 option Clarkson playing 1 on 5

    Steve Godfrey: Rotation? Itís an upgrade over the backup center minutes from last year; Iím particularly excited to see how he fits with Mike Conley as a pick-and-pop partner. If we are talking about chemistry, morale, locker room and media fit, fanbase spirit, embodiment of culture, the grit and grind, and all those intangibles? This is a Grand Canyon-like chasm of an upgrade. Hyperbolically speaking, I imagine this is exactly how Cleveland felt when LeBron returned; the return of Fav (hopefully in his familiar #15 Jazz jersey) just feels right.

    now he's picking and popping not just spotting up in the corner!

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    Tim MacMahon
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    Another big man headed to Houston: Former NBA center DeSagana Diop has joined Stephen Silasí coaching staff. Diop had been a Jazz assistant coach the last four years.
    and another one gone. Wouldn't have guessed he'd been around 4 years already though

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    Bobby Marks
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    Starting to see a trend of Two-Way contracts starting to shift to second-round picks. Out of the 30 players taken in rd. 2, only CJ Elleby (pick 46 to POR) has signed a standard contract (2 years fully guaranteed).
    no summer league may play a part

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    Jazz announce their intentions to have 1,500 fans in the lower bowl only of Jazz games at Vivint Arena this season. ďThe Jazz believe this is a responsible way to start the season from a public health and safety standpoint," Jazz President Jim Olson said.

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    Michael ScottoMichael Scotto @MikeAScotto
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    Donovan Mitchellís five-year max extension with the Utah Jazz includes a 15 percent trade kicker, @Jorge Sierra has learned.

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    There's a good argument the Jazz have the third and fourth best players in franchise history on the roster entering their prime today. One of them is locked up for the next 5 years. If I were a fan, I'd be dancing in the street rather than tripping over contract stipulations.
    They have one of their top 3 players ever. Mitchell isn't in the conversation yet. Lots to prove

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    Tony Jones
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    Jarrell Brantley has signed a two way deal to return to the Utah Jazz, according to sources
    Pretty lame! All Gleague first team doesn't get you a promotion? What else does he have to prove down there?

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    Their new 2nd rounder gets a regular contract? Don't get that at all!

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    Rudy/Favors/Udoka/Gill
    O'Neale/Niang/Morgan/Brantley
    Bojan/Ingles/Oni
    Mitchell/Clarkson/Tucker/Hughes/Toolson
    Conley/William Goss/Forrest

    Mudiay, Wright Forman

    Batum

    Not sure how you sell Brantley on another 2 way after all gleague. I assume maybe they offered him a non guaranteed deal to fight it out with the others or the two way? He can spend more time with the Jazz because of the Trump virus but he should be in the mix for the rotation not leading the Stars again. I assume Hughes gets a regular contract or non guaranteed or stash? How do they figure.? I'd have to tell them to go **** themselves and head to China! So I assume that officially ends Wright Forman's stint? I assume he could get a camp spot on a non guarantee. He had 6th man potential. Rather have him than Clarkson. Mudiay too. 1 camp spot left. 10 guaranteed 4 non guarantees and one partial should make for a competitive camp anyway
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