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    Default Re: If you're an iso scorer that can't pass aren't you technically bound to chucking?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball View Post
    Harden is also an inferior passer to mj

    If you need to pound the rock and kill team offense to get assists, then you're an inferior passer to Jordan

    Harden was a 1-trick pony (a fluke #1 offense in 2018... And only because weak defense... 1-way team)
    MJ was incapable of playmaking at a high level while dominating the basketball. Michael MAXED out at 8 assists when he TRIED dominating the basketball as much as possible. I put a huge emphasis on tried.

    8 assists? One time?

    Just pathetic.

    Jordan simply didn't have the court vision of players like LeBron and Harden. Both who won assist titles and averaged over double-digit assists for a season. He just wasn't in their league as playmakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneyROY7 View Post
    MJ was incapable of playmaking at high level while dominating the basketball. Michael MAXED out at 8 assists when he TRIED dominating the basketball as much as possible. I put a huge emphasis on tried.

    8 assists? One time?

    Just pathetic.

    Jordan simply didn't have the court vision of players like LeBron and Harden. Both who won assist titles and averaged over double-digit assists for a season. He just wasn't in their league as playmakers.

    When Jordan played the point guard in 1989, he averaged 30/9/11 and the media said he was already a better PG than Magic, Isiah and Stockton:


    Bulls’ Jordan Makes a New Point

    Associated Press, April 9, 1989



    Michael Jordan now plays point guard, which means the Chicago Bulls give the ball more often to the NBA’s most productive offensive player.

    How does that strike the rest of the NBA?

    “I don’t like it,” Atlanta Hawks guard Doc Rivers said. “I think it’s terrible. It’s not fair.”

    “He was a nightmare already,” Hawks coach Mike Fratello said. “Now, he gets the ball even more.”

    “Everybody wonders why they didn’t do it before,” Golden State coach Don Nelson said.

    Chicago general manager Jerry Krause found some humor in his team’s switch of Jordan from the shooting guard position.

    “It’s like the old joke about the 2,000-pound gorilla,” Krause said. “Where does he sleep? Anywhere he wants. Great players can play different positions.”

    No other NBA player has made a change of more league-altering significance. Los Angeles Lakers point guard Magic Johnson played center against Philadelphia in the 1980 NBA Finals, but that lasted only one game. In just 16 games at point guard, Jordan has gone from the league’s leading scorer the last two seasons to being lumped with Johnson, John Stockton of Utah and Isiah Thomas of Detroit as the elite among NBA point guards. Jordan may already be the best of the group.

    Entering today’s 12:35 p.m. game against the Hawks at The Omni, Jordan has seven triple-doubles (double-figure totals in scoring, rebounding and assists) in the last eight games. His streak of seven consecutive triple-doubles ended Friday in a 114-112 overtime loss to Detroit in which Jordan finished with 40 points, 11 assists and seven rebounds. Before Jordan’s run, the most consecutive triple-doubles in the league this season was two, by Johnson and Portland’s Clyde Drexler.

    Since Oscar Robertson, who averaged double-figure totals in each category over a full season for his first six years in the league, Johnson has the most triple-doubles in a season with 18. Jordan already has 11 triple-doubles while learning the new position.


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    So you're wrong - Jordan was a better passer as a ball-dominator than Lebron or Harden.

    And off-ball, Jordan is the only player to average 10+ apg without playing PG (91' Finals)

    So Jordan is the superior passer, scorer and offensive player, which is why he had four #1 offenses despite pathetic offensive help (compared to lebron or harden's offensive help)

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    Default Re: If you're an iso scorer that can't pass aren't you technically bound to chucking?

    16 game sample size?



    How f*cking pathetic. Harden averaged more assists than MJ did in that small size for an ENTIRE SEASON.

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    Default Re: If you're an iso scorer that can't pass aren't you technically bound to chucking?

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    16 game sample size?



    How f*cking pathetic. Harden averaged more assists than MJ did in that small size for an ENTIRE SEASON.
    24 games and everyone said he was better PG than Magic, whereas no one says lebron is a better PG than Magic

    But Jordan didn't want to be ball-dominant because it doesn't win

    He achieved better offenses by scoring off-ball and still getting 6+ assists

    Whereas lebron and harden are unskilled, so they must pound the rock like a playground player.. they can't produce while the ball moves, so they have shit offenses compared to Jordan despite far more help... And therefore suck compared to Jordan

    Again, lebron and harden have worse TEAM offenses despite more help... So they suck compared to Mike

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    Default Re: If you're an iso scorer that can't pass aren't you technically bound to chucking?

    24 game sample size?



    How f*cking pathetic. Harden averaged more assists than MJ did in that small sample size for an ENTIRE SEASON.

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    Default Re: If you're an iso scorer that can't pass aren't you technically bound to chucking?

    MJ never had a top 5 offense without Phil. Phil came in and implemented the triangle offense which enhanced their offense. The same offense that the 1967 Sixers used to win a championship.

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    Default Re: If you're an iso scorer that can't pass aren't you technically bound to chucking?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers View Post
    MJ never had a top 5 offense without Phil. Phil came in and implemented the triangle offense which enhanced their offense. The same offense that the 1967 Sixers used to win a championship.
    The triangle was nothing until MJ put it on the map

    Only MJ won with the triangle... And kobe

    If you want to add Wilt's most stacked team as an exception, then that's the best way to prove the rule

    Carry on in ignorance

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    Default Re: If you're an iso scorer that can't pass aren't you technically bound to chucking?

    MJ simply wasn't an effective ball-dominator, that's why he needed Phil to come in and institute an offense that took that burden off his shoulders. He just wasn't built for it.

    It is what it is.

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    Default Re: If you're an iso scorer that can't pass aren't you technically bound to chucking?

    Quote Originally Posted by LoneyROY7 View Post
    MJ simply wasn't an effective ball-dominator, that's why he needed Phil to come in and institute an offense that took that burden off his shoulders. He just wasn't built for it.

    It is what it is.
    MJ never dominated the ball

    And Phil won nothing without MJ or his clone to make the shit triangle work

    That offense was nothing with mj, kobe, or wilt

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    Default Re: If you're an iso scorer that can't pass aren't you technically bound to chucking?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball View Post
    MJ never dominated the ball
    Because he simply wasn't capable of doing it effectively.

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    Default Re: If you're an iso scorer that can't pass aren't you technically bound to chucking?

    Quote Originally Posted by LoneyROY7 View Post
    MJ simply wasn't an effective ball-dominator, that's why he needed Phil to come in and institute an offense that took that burden off his shoulders. He just wasn't built for it.

    It is what it is.
    Agreed, it works for LeBron cause he is an all-time great passer. MJ as a ball-dominator was too predictable, often refusing to pass to open teammates, Phil had to come in and teach MJ how to play the right way. LeBron knew from day 1 how to play the right way, he doesn't need a system.

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    Default Re: If you're an iso scorer that can't pass aren't you technically bound to chucking?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers View Post
    Agreed, it works for LeBron cause he is an all-time great passer. MJ as a ball-dominator was too predictable, often refusing to pass to open teammates, Phil had to come in and teach MJ how to play the right way. LeBron knew from day 1 how to play the right way, he doesn't need a system.
    Just another element cementing that LeBron is better than Jordan.

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    Default Re: If you're an iso scorer that can't pass aren't you technically bound to chucking?

    Quote Originally Posted by LoneyROY7 View Post
    Because he simply wasn't capable of doing it effectively.
    Lebron only has 4 rings when he should have 10

    So lebron doesn't do it effectively

    And ball-dominance < team offense

    So mj is much better...

    It's better to get a 30 PER with great team offense, then a 30 PER at the expense of team offense

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    Default Re: If you're an iso scorer that can't pass aren't you technically bound to chucking?

    Happy Thanksgiving y'all.

    LeBron is STILL better than Jordan.

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    Default Re: If you're an iso scorer that can't pass aren't you technically bound to chucking?

    Quote Originally Posted by LoneyROY7 View Post
    Happy Thanksgiving y'all.

    LeBron is STILL better than Jordan.
    Lebron will never be better than Jordan and isn't better in any facet

    And I don't celebrate colonialism

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