Bosh = all-nba and 5x all-star pre-lebron.... Pau = 1x all-star pre-kobe

[3ball]

Yeah, I said it right:

previous eras had a higher proportion of african-americans, because today's league has a higher proportion of non-african-americans, aka euros/international whites and otherwise white players that only need to shoot due to today's 3-pt league.

Otoh, shooting guards in previous eras didn't shoot threes, so they used bruising, physical force to be good players

today's shooters like Curry, Klay, Harden or Van Fleet rely less on force, and more on shooting threes, so mj would be playing against a bunch of Reggie Miller's, thereby dominating without getting beaten down/physically-tired

Today's game is ****ing soft, with rules in place to eliminate impeding, physical contact, and hard fouls

[SATAN]

[RRR3]

Studs like Oliver Miller and “Hot Plate” Williams? MJ’s era was so easy you could literally be obese and make the league. Never would happen today.

3ball?

[3ball]

3ball?

Jokic is pretty fat

And today's typical off-guard is a Danny Green type - non-physical shooter

Today's 3-point format doesn't require the tough, bruising SG's like the standard of prior eras

[AirBonner]

Jokic is pretty fat

And today's typical off-guard is a Danny Green type - non-physical shooter

Today's 3-point format doesn't require the tough, bruising SG's like the standard of prior eras

And your modern day MJ got destroyed by him

[SATAN]

lol@Comparing Jokic to Oliver Miller

[3ball]

And your modern day MJ got destroyed by him

AD was the MVP vs Denver (the real Finals)

[3ball]

AD was the MVP vs Denver (the real Finals)

No one

Pippen was never mvp of any series

The stats say he's borderline top 100

[TheGoatest]

The only reason Bosh had all those all-star appearances is because he was listed as a C on the ballot during the years where Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Jamaal Magloire and Roy Hibbert made the all-star game as a C.

[red1]

pippen led the bulls to 55 wins without baldan


baldan never won 50 games without pippen



no pip. no chip.

[Round Mound]

Lebron never won without a sidekick that had higher career BPM, PER, VORP and WS/48 then Pippen

He literally never won without a sidekick that was way better than pippen

Ultimately, everyone in history had a teammate outscore them for a playoff run - so everyone needed a "Jordan" teammate that could outscore them, while only Jordan needed just a "pippen", who scored far less in every series

Pippen when Jordan left:

Player Efficiency Rating

1990-91 NBA 20.6 (20th)
1991-92 NBA 21.5 (13th)
1993-94 NBA 23.2 (4th)
1994-95 NBA 22.6 (7th)
1995-96 NBA 21.0 (15th)
1996-97 NBA 21.3 (17th)
1997-98 NBA 20.4 (19th)

Win Shares

1990-91 NBA 11.2 (13th)
1991-92 NBA 12.7 (8th)
1993-94 NBA 11.2 (9th)
1994-95 NBA 11.8 (7th)
1995-96 NBA 12.3 (7th)
1996-97 NBA 13.1 (5th)
Career NBA 125.1 (41st)
Career 125.1 (45th)

Win Shares Per 48 Minutes

1990-91 NBA .179 (15th)
1991-92 NBA .192 (12th)
1993-94 NBA .194 (9th)
1994-95 NBA .188 (10th)
1995-96 NBA .209 (9th)
1996-97 NBA .203 (9th)
1997-98 NBA .193 (8th)

Value Over Replacement Player

1990-91 NBA 5.9 (10th)
1991-92 NBA 6.4 (5th)
1992-93 NBA 4.7 (9th)
1993-94 NBA 6.8 (5th)
1994-95 NBA 7.2 (3rd)
1995-96 NBA 5.9 (7th)
1996-97 NBA 6.1 (8th)
1999-00 NBA 3.9 (19th)
Career NBA 63.2 (23rd)
Career 63.2 (24th)

Defensive Box Plus/Minus

1987-88 NBA 1.3 (19th)
1990-91 NBA 2.5 (7th)
1991-92 NBA 2.0 (12th)
1993-94 NBA 3.2 (5th)
1994-95 NBA 3.0 (3rd)
1995-96 NBA 1.7 (17th)
1997-98 NBA 1.6 (19th)
2001-02 NBA 1.6 (14th)
2002-03 NBA 1.6 (19th)
Career NBA 1.8 (34th)
Career 1.8 (37th)

Offensive Box Plus/Minus

1990-91 NBA 3.2 (16th)
1991-92 NBA 4.1 (11th)
1993-94 NBA 4.5 (5th)
1994-95 NBA 4.4 (8th)
1995-96 NBA 4.6 (9th)
1996-97 NBA 4.3 (14th)
1997-98 NBA 3.3 (17th)
Career NBA 2.3 (89th)

Defensive Box Plus/Minus

1987-88 NBA 1.3 (19th)
1990-91 NBA 2.5 (7th)
1991-92 NBA 2.0 (12th)
1993-94 NBA 3.2 (5th)
1994-95 NBA 3.0 (3rd)
1995-96 NBA 1.7 (17th)
1997-98 NBA 1.6 (19th)
2001-02 NBA 1.6 (14th)
2002-03 NBA 1.6 (19th)
Career NBA 1.8 (34th)
Career 1.8 (37th)

Box Plus/Minus

1990-91 NBA 5.8 (10th)
1991-92 NBA 6.1 (6th)
1992-93 NBA 4.0 (14th)
1993-94 NBA 7.7 (3rd)
1994-95 NBA 7.5 (3rd)
1995-96 NBA 6.3 (8th)
1996-97 NBA 5.7 (9th)
1997-98 NBA 5.0 (8th)
1999-00 NBA 3.6 (20th)
Career NBA 4.1 (35th)

Defensive Rating

1987-88 NBA 103.5 (15th)
1990-91 NBA 101.7 (8th)
1991-92 NBA 102.2 (8th)
1993-94 NBA 96.9 (7th)
1994-95 NBA 98.3 (1st)
1995-96 NBA 100.7 (10th)
1997-98 NBA 98.8 (12th)
Career NBA 101.5 (67th)
Career 101.5 (81st)

BTW i think MJ is the best of all time...

[SouBeachTalents]

Pippen when Jordan left:

Player Efficiency Rating

1990-91 NBA 20.6 (20th)
1991-92 NBA 21.5 (13th)
1993-94 NBA 23.2 (4th)
1994-95 NBA 22.6 (7th)
1995-96 NBA 21.0 (15th)
1996-97 NBA 21.3 (17th)
1997-98 NBA 20.4 (19th)

Win Shares

1990-91 NBA 11.2 (13th)
1991-92 NBA 12.7 (8th)
1993-94 NBA 11.2 (9th)
1994-95 NBA 11.8 (7th)
1995-96 NBA 12.3 (7th)
1996-97 NBA 13.1 (5th)
Career NBA 125.1 (41st)
Career 125.1 (45th)

Win Shares Per 48 Minutes

1990-91 NBA .179 (15th)
1991-92 NBA .192 (12th)
1993-94 NBA .194 (9th)
1994-95 NBA .188 (10th)
1995-96 NBA .209 (9th)
1996-97 NBA .203 (9th)
1997-98 NBA .193 (8th)

Value Over Replacement Player

1990-91 NBA 5.9 (10th)
1991-92 NBA 6.4 (5th)
1992-93 NBA 4.7 (9th)
1993-94 NBA 6.8 (5th)
1994-95 NBA 7.2 (3rd)
1995-96 NBA 5.9 (7th)
1996-97 NBA 6.1 (8th)
1999-00 NBA 3.9 (19th)
Career NBA 63.2 (23rd)
Career 63.2 (24th)

Defensive Box Plus/Minus

1987-88 NBA 1.3 (19th)
1990-91 NBA 2.5 (7th)
1991-92 NBA 2.0 (12th)
1993-94 NBA 3.2 (5th)
1994-95 NBA 3.0 (3rd)
1995-96 NBA 1.7 (17th)
1997-98 NBA 1.6 (19th)
2001-02 NBA 1.6 (14th)
2002-03 NBA 1.6 (19th)
Career NBA 1.8 (34th)
Career 1.8 (37th)

Offensive Box Plus/Minus

1990-91 NBA 3.2 (16th)
1991-92 NBA 4.1 (11th)
1993-94 NBA 4.5 (5th)
1994-95 NBA 4.4 (8th)
1995-96 NBA 4.6 (9th)
1996-97 NBA 4.3 (14th)
1997-98 NBA 3.3 (17th)
Career NBA 2.3 (89th)

Defensive Box Plus/Minus

1987-88 NBA 1.3 (19th)
1990-91 NBA 2.5 (7th)
1991-92 NBA 2.0 (12th)
1993-94 NBA 3.2 (5th)
1994-95 NBA 3.0 (3rd)
1995-96 NBA 1.7 (17th)
1997-98 NBA 1.6 (19th)
2001-02 NBA 1.6 (14th)
2002-03 NBA 1.6 (19th)
Career NBA 1.8 (34th)
Career 1.8 (37th)

Box Plus/Minus

1990-91 NBA 5.8 (10th)
1991-92 NBA 6.1 (6th)
1992-93 NBA 4.0 (14th)
1993-94 NBA 7.7 (3rd)
1994-95 NBA 7.5 (3rd)
1995-96 NBA 6.3 (8th)
1996-97 NBA 5.7 (9th)
1997-98 NBA 5.0 (8th)
1999-00 NBA 3.6 (20th)
Career NBA 4.1 (35th)

Defensive Rating

1987-88 NBA 103.5 (15th)
1990-91 NBA 101.7 (8th)
1991-92 NBA 102.2 (8th)
1993-94 NBA 96.9 (7th)
1994-95 NBA 98.3 (1st)
1995-96 NBA 100.7 (10th)
1997-98 NBA 98.8 (12th)
Career NBA 101.5 (67th)
Career 101.5 (81st)

BTW i think MJ is the best of all time...

[Axe]

"Whoa whoa stop sucking please sweetheart, I'm about to spam post about why Jordan was better than LeBron. Take it out of your mouth darlin'."

Op?

[Nashty]

Just another case that proves NBA is racist against white people. Not only that Gasol was better than Bosh, but he was better than Kobe too.

Gasol in playoffs before Kobe = 22.9 PER, 4.4 BPM
Kobe between Shaq and Gasol = 21.6 PER, 3.9 BPM
Bosh before James = 20.4 PER, 2.2 BPM

[BurningHammer]

Bosh got a lot Canadian votes when they all came from audiences. Kinda like Yao.