Rate LeBron and Jordan in the following categories

[Gus Hemmingway]

Finishing

3 point shooting

Rebounding

Assists

Durability

Leadership

[Marchesk]

AD >> Pippen

[trada7029]

Finishing - Lebron's size helps him get more open looks at the rim, but Jordan was the superior shot-maker when defenders were heavily contesting. So Jordan has the edge due to superior contested shot-making ability and repertoire.. Also, the term "finishing" is a vague term - Jordan was the goat bailout artist on possessions and finished possessions at a higher rate than anyone ever. He's known as a goat "finisher" probably more than anything else.

3 point shooting - Jordan shot better than lebron anytime he had more than bailout volume (1.5 attempts), and he shot better in the playoffs from the regular line and the Finals... keep in mind that Jordan was the goat 2-point jumpshooter because he shot enough to get in rhythm - he'd be the same way from three with more volume just like today's players enjoy (the higher volume/rhythm).. despite the lower volume/rhythm, MJ still reached Curry level in a Finals game and won titles shooting 39% in the playoffs/Finals...

Rebounding - Jordan is the better offensive rebounder and defensive rebounds are meaningless because Jordan played guard.. It's bad for a team if the SG is getting 10 rpg

Assists - if lebron wasn't allowed to dominate the ball, then Jordan is the better passer.. Jordan is the only player to average 10 assists in a series without playing PG... Otoh, Jordan was also better as a ball-dominator because he was considered the best PG in 1989 when he played the position, whereas lebron wasn't considered the best PG until year 17.

Durability - Jordan is all-nba + scoring champ + top 5 dpoy from 88-98'.. That's the highest level possible and much higher than lebron, so it requires more energy... lebron gets all-nba but nothing else, so any bum can play 20 years doing that..

Leadership - Pippen, BJ, and Grant grew by leaps and bounds alongside MJ, whereas virtually no one grew alongside Lebron. Lebron has the IQ of a playground player - he's ball-dominant while teammates watch - this isn't leadership and infact imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning).. Talent-based winning loses to organic ball movement, so lebron has a lottery record against the Spurs, Mavs and Warriors.

[SouBeachTalents]

Finishing - Lebron's size helps him get more open looks at the rim, but Jordan was the superior shot-maker when defenders were heavily contesting. Overall Jordan has the edge, due to superior contested shot-making ability.. Also, the term "finishing" is a vague term - Jordan was the goat bailout artist on possessions and finished possessions at a higher rate than anyone ever. He's known as a goat "finisher" probably more than anything else.

-3 point shooting - Jordan shot better than lebron anytime he had more than bailout volume (1.5 attempts), and he shot better in the playoffs from the regular line and the Finals... keep in mind that Jordan was the goat 2-point jumpshooter because he shot enough to get in rhythm, and he'd be the same way with more volume from three just like today's players enjoy (the higher volume/rhythm).. nonetheless, MJ reached Curry level in a Finals game and won titles shooting 39% in the playoffs/Finals...

Rebounding - Jordan is the better offensive rebounder and defensive rebounds are meaningless because Jordan played guard.. It's bad for a team if the SG is getting 10 rpg

Assists - if lebron wasn't allowed to dominate the ball, then Jordan is the better passer.. As a ball-dominator, Jordan is still better because he was considered the best PG in 1989 when he played the position, whereas lebron wasn't considered the best PG until year 17.

Durability - Jordan is all-nba + scoring champ + top 5 dpoy... That's the highest level possible and much higher than lebron, so it requires more energy... lebron gets all-nba but nothing else, so any bum can play 20 years doing that..

Leadership - Pippen, BJ, and Grant grew by leaps and bounds alongside MJ, whereas virtually no one grew alongside Lebron. Lebron has the IQ of a playground player - he's ball-dominant while teammates watch - this isn't leadership and infact imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning).. Talent-based winning loses to organic ball movement, so lebron has a lottery record against the Spurs, Mavs and Warriors.

I'm not even gonna swat that fly

[Kiddlovesnets]

Theres still something about 6/6 is a better ratio than 4/10.

[Bronbron23]

Finishing

3 point shooting

Rebounding

Assists

Durability

Leadership

Finishing-tie

3 point- bron reg season- tie post season

Rebounding- bron defensive reb mj offensive rebounds

Ass- bron

Durability- tie( mj played in a more physical era)

Leadership- tie

[Gus Hemmingway]

Finishing-tie

3 point- bron reg season- tie post season

Rebounding- bron defensive reb mj offensive rebounds

Ass- bron

Durability- tie( mj played in a more physical era)

Leadership- tie

Nice so you admit LeBron > Jordan

[Bronbron23]

Nice so you admit LeBron > Jordan

Overall in these cherry picked categories yup.

[Mr. Woke]

Finishing

3 point shooting

Rebounding

Assists

Durability

Leadership

LeBron.

LeBron.

LeBron.

LeBron.

LeBron.

LeBron.

[G0ATbe]

LeBron wins all of these by a pretty large margin, not even debatable.

[bullettooth]

Finishing - Lebron's size helps him get more open looks at the rim, but Jordan was the superior shot-maker when defenders were heavily contesting. So Jordan has the edge due to superior contested shot-making ability and repertoire.. Also, the term "finishing" is a vague term - Jordan was the goat bailout artist on possessions and finished possessions at a higher rate than anyone ever. He's known as a goat "finisher" probably more than anything else.

3 point shooting - Jordan shot better than lebron anytime he had more than bailout volume (1.5 attempts), and he shot better in the playoffs from the regular line and the Finals... keep in mind that Jordan was the goat 2-point jumpshooter because he shot enough to get in rhythm - he'd be the same way from three with more volume just like today's players enjoy (the higher volume/rhythm).. despite the lower volume/rhythm, MJ still reached Curry level in a Finals game and won titles shooting 39% in the playoffs/Finals...

Rebounding - Jordan is the better offensive rebounder and defensive rebounds are meaningless because Jordan played guard.. It's bad for a team if the SG is getting 10 rpg

Assists - if lebron wasn't allowed to dominate the ball, then Jordan is the better passer.. Jordan is the only player to average 10 assists in a series without playing PG... Otoh, Jordan was also better as a ball-dominator because he was considered the best PG in 1989 when he played the position, whereas lebron wasn't considered the best PG until year 17.

Durability - Jordan is all-nba + scoring champ + top 5 dpoy from 88-98'.. That's the highest level possible and much higher than lebron, so it requires more energy... lebron gets all-nba but nothing else, so any bum can play 20 years doing that..

Leadership - Pippen, BJ, and Grant grew by leaps and bounds alongside MJ, whereas virtually no one grew alongside Lebron. Lebron has the IQ of a playground player - he's ball-dominant while teammates watch - this isn't leadership and infact imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning).. Talent-based winning loses to organic ball movement, so lebron has a lottery record against the Spurs, Mavs and Warriors.

LeBron nut huggers going to ignore this and reality.

[72-10]

cool thread, bro

Finishing: Michael marginally

3 point shooting: LeBron marginally

Rebounding: tied

Assists: LeBron marginally

Durability: Michael marginally

Leadership: Michael marginally

[FKAri]

I honestly believe Lebron's a better leader than MJ. The way he's transformed the Lakers in two years is pretty amazing. It's not fair to compare him to MJ tho since MJ focused on playing basketball while Lebron has a more holistic approach(LeGM etc). Some may not like it but his more business like approach makes him a better leader in that sense.

Ass- bron

[72-10]

LeBron.

LeBron.

LeBron.

LeBron.

LeBron.

LeBron.

[dankok8]

Finishing - I assume you mean at the rim... Lebron is the more efficient finisher but that's also partly because there are fewer bigs protecting the paint. Jordan was more acrobatic and could adjust to contact better. And while he might have been worse converting the chances I think he also drew more fouls. Unofficial shot charts for MJ from 1990-1992 done by PHILA show him shooting about 70% at the rim and that's with elite defensive bigs. TIE

3 point shooting - Jordan in his peak years actually shot close to 40% from 3pt range in the playoffs. Over their career it's close and Lebron has improved as his career went on. Even their career averages are very very close. TIE

Rebounding - Lebron mainly due to his edge on the defensive glass. They are even in offensive rebounds. Lebron

Assists - Lebron but the edge isn't as big as people think. Jordan was a very good passer. Watch the tape. It's just that he was a scorer first in his mentality which arguably allowed him to playmake more effectively because he drew so many double and triple teams. Lebron does have slightly better court vision so I don't think even a pass first MJ is quite as good as Lebron in this area. Lebron

Durability - Jordan was incredibly durable. After breaking his foot his second year he virtually never again missed games even in the regular season to injury. Lebron of course is a tank and only had a relatively serious injury in 18-19. TIE

Leadership - Jordan for sure. It's a matter of taste but I think MJ's "taking no prisoners" mentality is better. Guys feared him and they performed at their best. Not blaming Lebron because he is playing under different circumstances now but he's never had to push younger guys to improve and actually build a team to win. Jordan