Can a player be in the top 20 all time without a fmvp?

[Bronbron23]

Talking about steph obviously. How can someone be considered one of the goats if he was never the best player on the floor on the biggest stage? So where does steph rank? Where would he rank if he had a fmvp or 2?

[SouBeachTalents]

Yes, as proven by multiple players like Oscar, Dr. J, Malone, KG, Barkley, Robinson

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Nope. Shows you're not a big game player. Especially if you been there 5 damn times like Curry has, that's embarrassing. At least guys like Barkley can say they only were in 1 finals.

[StrongLurk]

Yes, as proven by multiple players like Oscar, Dr. J, Malone, KG, Barkley, Robinson

Wow OP is dumb. We have players obviously in the top 20 who don't even have a ring, let alone FMVP.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

What? Of course they can.

Yes, as proven by multiple players like Oscar, Dr. J, Malone, KG, Barkley, Robinson

Of all elite players and ATGs, Steph might get the most unwarranted hate.

Crazy impact, great numbers in the regular-season, playoffs. And puts on a show if the eye test is your thing.

Morons will yap about his defensive abilities, or lack thereof, but then cape for dudes like Harden, Lillard, and Luka. Or never bat an eye with guys like Barkley and Magic.

[light]

If you can be in the top 20 without winning a championship (Karl Malone, for example, wno ESPN recently ranked 17th) you can certainly be in the top 20 without winning a Finals MVP.

Especially if you have 2 MVPs and 3 rings.

[tpols]

Easily. So Cedric Maxwell, Dennis Johnson, Joe Dumars, Chauncey Billups, Tony Parker, Iggy, etc. are better than a guy like Charles Barkley? This is a very shallow and poor analysis. An arbitrary, lazy, end all be all qualifier.

[dawsey6]

...and if we're being honest, he should've won FMVP in 2015 over Iggy. He was clearly the best player for them, but Iggy was a storyline.

[Walk on Water]

FMVPs are overrated. Sure, if you want to just take the ball from your teammates so you can look good cosmetically.

[RRR3]

Yes, as proven by multiple players like Oscar, Dr. J, Malone, KG, Barkley, Robinson

Dumbdumb23 at it yet again.

[Pointguard]

His, Curry, impact on the game is crazy. Whole teams try to play like him. And its just a matter of time before his style will dominate finals. All players shoot worse from long distance in the finals. Defense still predominates finals. What I find wild is that defense doesn't get the accolades either even when it dictates finals play.

[tpols]

His, Curry, impact on the game is crazy. Whole teams try to play like him. And its just a matter of time before his style will dominate finals. All players shoot worse from long distance in the finals. Defense still predominates finals. What I find wild is that defense doesn't get the accolades either even when it dictates finals play.

It sure did for Iggy.

[Stephonit]

Why does the opinion of the majority of 11 paid hacks matter? There are polls on this site which are objectively as significant.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Easily. So Cedric Maxwell, Dennis Johnson, Joe Dumars, Chauncey Billups, Tony Parker, Iggy, etc. are better than a guy like Charles Barkley? This is a very shallow and poor analysis. An arbitrary, lazy, end all be all qualifier.

It doesn't make them better players then anybody who hasn't won finals mvp, it just raises their stock.

Dennis Johnson = top 70 player ever.

Tony parker = top 70 player ever

Without the finals mvp, they are about top 90 player ever.

So a guy like curry has a top 25 ever resume. No finals MVP, he drops to about top 40 ever.

I'm giving a rough estimate of their rank but you get the idea.

[SouBeachTalents]

It doesn't make them better players then anybody who hasn't won finals mvp, it just raises their stock.

Dennis Johnson = top 70 player ever.

Tony parker = top 70 player ever

Without the finals mvp, they are about top 90 player ever.

So a guy like curry has a top 25 ever resume. No finals MVP, he drops to about top 40 ever.

I'm giving a rough estimate of their rank but you get the idea.

So then where do you rank the players I listed, do Oscar & Dr. J drop out of the top 25 too?