Could you ERASE Jordan's career just by removing one player (Pippen)?

[hateraid]

Jason Terry erased LeBrons career. Let that sink in for a moment.

Iguodala erased Curry's

[TheGoatest]

Iguodala erased Curry's

Lost Finals MVP to Iguodala
Got less Finals MVP votes than a guy from the losing team
Got less Finals MVP votes than Fred Van Vleet

The Human Finals MVP Trophy Repellent.

[dankok8]

Could you erase Lebron's career by removing cap space on the Miami Heat in 2010?

[3ball]

Pippen had a low statistical peak and always averaged far less than MJ in every Playoffs, so he was a true 2nd option, and therefore inferior to the elite 1st option sidekicks, FMVP's and equal-scoring partners that every other top 10 player enjoyed.

[Axe]

Sad to say, curry is just not fit for the finals mvp award. Kids choice from nick might be the best award he got in his entire career.

[TheGoatest]

Could you erase Lebron's career by removing cap space on the Miami Heat in 2010?

Certainly not to an extent that you could erase Jordan's career without Pippen.

LeBron pre-Miami:

2 MVPs
1 Finals appearance
5 times past the first round

Jordan pre- and post Pippen:

0 MVPs
0 Finals appearances
0 times past the first round

[3ball]

Certainly not to an extent that you could erase Jordan's career without Pippen.

LeBron pre-Miami:

2 MVPs
1 Finals appearance
5 times past the first round

Jordan pre- and post Pippen:

0 MVPs
0 Finals appearances
0 times past the first round

From 06-10, the Cavs had higher-ranked team defenses than the 85-90' Bulls and better offensive sidekicks than Pippen

(05' Zydrunas, 05' Hughes, 06' Zydrunas, 09' Mo, and 10' Jamison had better PER, WS/48, scoring and efficiency than 90' Pippen).

So Jordan had less help on both sides of the ball in 1990, yet nearly beat the champs (a "migraine" stopped it), while Lebron was swept (07'), lottery (05'), and lost as the league favorite (09' and 10')..

Ultimately, 85-90' Jordan played in a conference that required a super-team to win it with less help than 05-10' Lebron, who played in a conference that 1-star teams were routinely winning

[TheGoatest]

From 06-10, the Cavs had higher-ranked team defenses than the 90' Bulls and better offensive sidekicks than Pippen (05' Zydrunas, 05' Hughes, 06' Zydrunas, 09' Mo, and 10' Jamison had better PER, WS/48, scoring and efficiency than 90' Pippen).

So Jordan had less help on both sides of the ball, yet nearly beat the champs (a "migraine" stopped it), while Lebron was swept (07'), lottery (05'), and lost as the league favorite (09' and 10')..

Ultimately, 85-90' Jordan played in a conference that required a super-team to win it with less help than 05-10' Lebron, who played in a conference that 1-star teams were routinely winning

Jordan played in a conference where you needed 30 games to make the playoffs. For LeBron, it wasn't enough winning 42 games to make the playoffs.
Jordan failed to avoid playing the Celtics by being a lower seed than the 0 all-star Indiana Pacers and 0 all-star Milwaukee Bucks in 1986-87, despite playing with a player who averaged 15-13-4.

[Spurs m8]

The things op wonders, as Jordan keeps him awake at night

[3ball]

Jordan played in a conference where you needed 30 games to make the playoffs. For LeBron, it wasn't enough winning 42 games to make the playoffs.
Jordan failed to avoid playing the Celtics by being a lower seed than the 0 all-star Indiana Pacers and 0 all-star Milwaukee Bucks in 1986-87, despite playing with a player who averaged 15-13-4.

30 games to make the playoffs means nothing and forced Jordan to face a dynasty as an 8 seed

Otoh, lebron was lucky to miss the playoffs with his 30-40 win teams and only made the playoffs with developed, high seeds

Again, 1-star teams routinely won lebron's conference, while a super-team was required to win the 80's East

[TheGoatest]

30 games to make the playoffs means nothing and forced Jordan to face a dynasty as an 8 seed

Otoh, lebron was lucky to miss the playoffs with his 30-40 win teams and only made the playoffs with developed, high seeds

Again, 1-star teams routinely won lebron's conference, while a super-team was required to win the 80's East

0 all-star 1986-87 Indiana Pacers "super team" finished with a higher seed than Jordan's Bulls with a 15-13-4 averaging Charles Oakley
0 all-star 1986-87 Milwaukee Bucks "super team" finished with a higher seed than Jordan's Bulls with a 15-13-4 averaging Charles Oakley



1984-85 Milwaukee Bucks who

Lost 4-0 in the 2nd round to a team who
Lost in the Conference finals to a team who
Lost in the Finals

were a "Super team"?

[hateraid]

0 all-star 1986-87 Indiana Pacers "super team" finished with a higher seed than Jordan's Bulls with a 15-13-4 averaging Charles Oakley
0 all-star 1986-87 Milwaukee Bucks "super team" finished with a higher seed than Jordan's Bulls with a 15-13-4 averaging Charles Oakley



1984-85 Milwaukee Bucks who

Lost 4-0 in the 2nd round to a team who
Lost in the Conference finals to a team who
Lost in the Finals

were a "Super team"?

That is actually perfect context. With the exception of the Celtics the east was extremely weak and lacked a legit Superteam.

[Shooter]

Jordan before Pippen: Zero .500 seasons, 1-9 in the playoffs
Jordan after Pippen: Failed to make playoffs in a conference with the #1 and #2 worst record for a 1st seed since the introduction of the 3 point line

Pippen after Jordan's first retirement: 55 win season, 2nd round
Pippen after Jordan's second retirement: Western Conference Finals

Nail in the coffin right there

[Shooter]

Lost Finals MVP to Iguodala
Got less Finals MVP votes than a guy from the losing team
Got less Finals MVP votes than Fred Van Vleet

The Human Finals MVP Trophy Repellent.

Bloodbath city :Some kids like the abuse

0 all-star 1986-87 Indiana Pacers "super team" finished with a higher seed than Jordan's Bulls with a 15-13-4 averaging Charles Oakley
0 all-star 1986-87 Milwaukee Bucks "super team" finished with a higher seed than Jordan's Bulls with a 15-13-4 averaging Charles Oakley



1984-85 Milwaukee Bucks who

Lost 4-0 in the 2nd round to a team who
Lost in the Conference finals to a team who
Lost in the Finals

were a "Super team"?

3ball getting roasted as usual

[Reggie43]

If he never had Pippen is he not allowed to get "help" to replace him?