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2020 Insidehoops MVP
Re: Pfizer CEO referring crazy conspiracy theories
Originally Posted by Manny98
They're making it mandatory in New Zealand to get vaccinated or lose your job
In the UK people in care homes have to get vaccinated
Plus countless other countries, America will soon follow as well
Jobs can do whatever they want, that's the liberty and greatness of a free market and business owners. The freedoms of business owners, establishing their own guidelines like refusing to sell goods anytime they choose or letting whom they want into their property. Medical professions in most hospitals in the US now get hair tested for tobacco, if you even use tobacco you aren't hired and get write ups. It's not taking their freedoms, that's just a cliche term your small community has recently be using because you don't like change. You wanted everything to stay the same while people worldwide were suffering, old people were dying. You didn't care, your unemployed and don't initeract with society, you don't see it. Out of sight out of mind, let me order my big mac without a mask
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Pfizer CEO referring crazy conspiracy theories
Originally Posted by Stanley Kobrick
Yes. Their (and when I say their it's like a handful of 3-4 users now) Their focal point is death rate and deaths. It doesn't even register to them the 31 million Americans who were sick quarantine with covid for weeks. Unable to see their families and children, out of work for 14-60 days. They see 99% and ran with that talking point for 14 months now. While most of us in the real world actually see the real repercussions this virus has had. For most of us in the know, we just don't want to get sick and put our lives on hold.
Um... People get sick all of the time
We have learned to live with illnesses like this one for millions of years even before vaccines were invented
I'm pretty sure if we went on as normal as if this virus never even existed humanity wouldn't be wiped out, in fact you probably wouldn't have even know there was a virus if not for the fear mongering from the media
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Pfizer CEO referring crazy conspiracy theories
Originally Posted by Manny98
They're making it mandatory in New Zealand to get vaccinated or lose your job
In the UK people in care homes have to get vaccinated
Plus countless other countries, America will soon follow as well
All work places will require a vaccine to enter. Venues opening up in NJ are requiring either proof of a negative test within the past 14 days or a vaccine certificate. All airlines will require it for travel. What its going to come down to is if you want to go anywhere or have a job, you will need the vaccine. So it will be 100% forced and mandated to live and survive in society, unless you have a ton of money and live off the grid by yourself in a cabin or farm.
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2020 Insidehoops MVP
Re: Pfizer CEO referring crazy conspiracy theories
Originally Posted by Manny98
Um... People get sick all of the time
We have learned to live with illnesses like this one for millions of years even before vaccines were invented
I'm pretty sure if we went on as normal as if this virus never even existed humanity wouldn't be wiped out, in fact you probably wouldn't have even know there was a virus if not for the fear mongering from the media
Unfortunetaly leaders worldwide weren't cool with it, especially see your own Boris Johnson who was in ICU in bad condition for weeks. They along with medical and science communiting are not cool with letting this virus sticking around. They want it extinct. And i'm cool with that like most, because getting sick sucks. So I take my flu and vaccines regularly
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Pfizer CEO referring crazy conspiracy theories
Originally Posted by Stanley Kobrick
Jobs can do whatever they want, that's the liberty and greatness of a free market and business owners. The freedoms of business owners, establishing their own guidelines like refusing to sell goods anytime they choose or letting whom they want into their property. Medical professions in most hospitals in the US now get hair tested for tobacco, if you even use tobacco you aren't hired and get write ups. It's not taking their freedoms, that's just a cliche term your small community has recently be using because you don't like change. You wanted everything to stay the same while people worldwide were suffering, old people were dying. You didn't care, your unemployed and don't initeract with society, you don't see it. Out of sight out of mind, let me order my big mac without a mask
Funny I actually do currently have a job and I am a student
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Pfizer CEO referring crazy conspiracy theories
Originally Posted by tpols
All work places will require a vaccine to enter. Venues opening up in NJ are requiring either proof of a negative test within the past 14 days or a vaccine certificate. All airlines will require it for travel. What its going to come down to is if you want to go anywhere or have a job, you will need the vaccine. So it will be 100% forced and mandated to live and survive in society, unless you have a ton of money and live off the grid by yourself in a cabin or farm.
That's crazy im not taking the vaccine no matter what even if I lose my job for it.
Taking the vaccine would mean submitting to a authoritarian state which I am not ok with
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2020 Insidehoops MVP
Re: Pfizer CEO referring crazy conspiracy theories
Last edited by Stanley Kobrick; 04-17-2021 at 07:54 PM.
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2020 Insidehoops MVP
Re: Pfizer CEO referring crazy conspiracy theories
Originally Posted by Manny98
That's crazy im not taking the vaccine no matter what even if I lose my job for it.
Taking the vaccine would mean submitting to a authoritarian state which I am not ok with
Good, employers can do whatever they want. That's the greatness of business owners and our freedoms as a license business entity
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The Bearded Menace
Re: Pfizer CEO referring crazy conspiracy theories
Originally Posted by Stanley Kobrick
Yes. Their (and when I say their it's like a handful of 3-4 users now) Their focal point is death rate and deaths. It doesn't even register to them the 31 million Americans who were sick quarantine with covid for weeks. Unable to see their families and children, out of work for 14-60 days. They see 99% and ran with that talking point for 14 months now. While most of us in the real world actually see the real repercussions this virus has had. For most of us in the know, we just don't want to get sick and put our lives on hold.
I can attest to that. I have an uncle who works for our family business, his wife's parents both tested positive and within a few days, her father died. Then some two nights after and her mother followed. But before that happened, she and two of my cousins visited their place. That was the same day they learned that both of them were positive because her parents were already feeling some symptoms (difficulty of breathing and loss of smell); i think they got it from my one of uncle's in-laws because she was quarantined (she lives with the parents) when someone tested positive in her workplace. Long story short, my uncle had to be quarantined as well because of that and my aunt felt sick after their late visit (due to stress also), until she tested positive and got hospitalized too because she was very warm plus her oxygen levels weren't high enough. After a few weeks she recovered and then when her family brought her home, it was my uncle's turn to become positive. He lost his sense of smell and for more than one month already, he hasn't come back to work yet. I feel so sad with what's happening around us lately.
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The Bearded Menace
Re: Pfizer CEO referring crazy conspiracy theories
Originally Posted by Manny98
90% of the over 70 population have already been vaccinated so what's the problem, they're "immune" so even if I do infect them they're going to live because the vaccine will protect them
Maybe but you also said even with the presence of these vaccines, herd immunity isn't attainable so we all have to live with this shit as if it's some kind of flu.
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The Playboy
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Pfizer CEO referring crazy conspiracy theories
Originally Posted by Stanley Kobrick
Good, employers can do whatever they want. That's the greatness of business owners and our freedoms as a license business entity
Doesn't sound like it here buddy
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Pfizer CEO referring crazy conspiracy theories
Originally Posted by Axe
Maybe but you also said even with the presence of these vaccines, herd immunity isn't attainable so we all have to live with this shit as if it's some kind of flu.
Yep exactly
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The Renaissance man
Re: Pfizer CEO referring crazy conspiracy theories
Originally Posted by Manny98
Um... People get sick all of the time
We have learned to live with illnesses like this one for millions of years even before vaccines were invented
I'm pretty sure if we went on as normal as if this virus never even existed humanity wouldn't be wiped out, in fact you probably wouldn't have even know there was a virus if not for the fear mongering from the media
The way we have lived with illnesses before vaccines was by letting it run its course. That includes multiple times throughout our distant past when a big percentage of humanity died out. Hell, quite a few human species before homo sapiens went extinct due to different reasons - disease was one of them.
If we allowed covid to run its course with zero precautions and no vaccines, we would be looking at a much larger total death count, especially in elders. We had over 3 mill deaths here globally in a year and half (China most likely severely underreported their death count last year so probably more than 3mill). With no precautions, we could have been looking at 30mill deaths right now globally - a big percentage of them older people.
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Yellow King
Re: Pfizer CEO referring crazy conspiracy theories
Originally Posted by tpols
All work places will require a vaccine to enter. Venues opening up in NJ are requiring either proof of a negative test within the past 14 days or a vaccine certificate. All airlines will require it for travel. What its going to come down to is if you want to go anywhere or have a job, you will need the vaccine. So it will be 100% forced and mandated to live and survive in society, unless you have a ton of money and live off the grid by yourself in a cabin or farm.
Businesses can do whatever they choose.
Like Stanley said and like just common sense, that's the beauty of being a business owner.
If the Airline doesn't allow carry ons over 50lgs, they can. If they make you wear a mask, they can, no shoes, no service, they can. Hire anybody, Serve anybody. Fire anybody. Why do you think there was such a fuss over affirmative action? If laws are put in place to change traffic laws, they can. We pay license fees to travel. Because even driving itself its not a right, it's a privilege
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