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    Kuniva was right. 3ball the Kobe stan knows he can’t argue Kobe over LeBron in good faith so he uses MJ instead to try and discredit LeBron. Unfortunately the mask slipped and he’s been exposed.

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    I hated Kobe during the entire 2000's... I despised him - I even called into a radio show to go off on him... I didn't think I could hate anyone more than him, until Lebron and his fraud came along, which enlightened me to Kobe's greatness.. Lebron made me realize how crappy ball-dominators really are - if a 6'9" ball-dominator that's build like Karl Malone can barely win, then the ball-dominant skillset is just a shit skillset compared to guys like MJ, Kobe or Bird.

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    Default Re: 3ball slips up, reveals self to be a butthurt Kobe stan just using MJ to attack L

    Here are Kobe's finals stats

    2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

    2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

    2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

    2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

    2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

    2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

    2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%

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    Why is it that Bird's defenders never can explain his underwhelming performances in the playoffs despite being playing on stacked teams for most of his career

    Why didn't he take over games and at least go down fighting any of those seasons that the Celtics fell short in?

    1980 ECF: Loses to the Sixers in 5 (not the stacked Sixers of later, we're talking a team where Dawkins was Dr. J's #2). Averages 22ppg on 44% shooting, including 5-19 for 12 points in the decisive Game 5.

    1981 Finals: Averages 15ppg on 42% shooting, including a streak in the middle where he scored 8, 8, and 12 in three consecutive games. Celtics win anyway cause of the worst Western Conference perhaps ever (two 40-42 teams had faced in the WCF), but Bird loses Finals MVP to Cedric Maxwell.

    1982 ECF: Averages 18ppg on 41% shooting and Boston loses to Philly in 7. Scores 20 on 7-18 shooting in losing Game 7 in a blowout.

    1983 ECSF: Boston is swept by a Bucks team whose best players are Moncrief, Johnson, Bridgeman, Lanier and Winters. Bird averages 19ppg on 44% shooting on the losing end of the sweep.

    1984 Finals: Boston won due to constant trips to the foul line and Magic choking, squeezing through despite Bird shooting just 6-18 for 20 points in the elimination game. But I guess 6-18 was just part of his strategy?

    1985 Finals: Loses to the Lakers in 6. Averages just 24ppg on 45% shooting in the Finals (Worthy, his matchup, averaged 24ppg on 56% shooting). His teammate McHale actually led all scorers with 26ppg on 60% shooting in the losing effort. Celtics lost Game 5 with Larry scoring just 20 (4th on the team behind DJ, McHale, and Parish and with 8-17 shooting was the worst of the four) and then lost Game 6 and the series with Larry shooting just 12-29 (again outscored by McHale who had 32 on 11-18 shooting).

    1987 Finals: Boston loses to LA in the Finals for the second time in three years. Bird goes 6-16 for 16 points in the deciding Game 6 loss. Dennis Johnson had 33 and McHale had 20 in that game. Worthy had 22 points on 10-16 shooting in only 36 minutes before fouling out. (Worthy averaged 21ppg on 52% shooting for the series.)

    1988 ECF: Averages 20ppg on 35% shooting as the Celtics go down in 6 to the Pistons. Bird scores 16 on 4-17 shooting in losing Game 6, while Boston was getting lit up by 6'5" SF Adrian Dantley.

    And I ain't even gonna get into 1989-1992, cause he was old and hurt, but he sucked in all of those seasons too.

    That's the reality. The truth is that Bird went out a LOT against teams that weren't necessarily better than his, and he went out while playing like shit in the decisive games.

    The truth is that Bird almost never took over in decisive games despite his manufactured "clutch" reputation. Why is this glossed over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    I hated Kobe during the entire 2000's... I despised him - I even called into a radio show to go off on him... I didn't think I could hate anyone more than him, until Lebron and his fraud came along, which enlightened me to Kobe's greatness.. Lebron made me realize how crappy ball-dominators really are - if a 6'9" ball-dominator that's build like Karl Malone can barely win, then the ball-dominant skillset is just a shit skillset compared to guys like MJ, Kobe or Bird.
    Why do you pretend to be an MJ fan?

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    If one were to take a long deep look at Bird's long list of playoff failures they would see why he is not ranked top 5 of all time by both fans and the media nowdays

    1980- Averaged a .51;1 TS% in the postseason. In-game 5 vs. the Sixers, he shot poorly, 5-19 with just 12 points, as the Celtics lost the game.

    His man (Dr. J) averaged 25 PPG in this series. His team loses in 5 games despite having HCA and winning 61 games. Had an 18.3 PER in the postseason

    1981- Has a .53;2 TS% in the postseason. He had a bad finals where he averaged just 15 PPG on .41;9 shooting and .46;0 TS%.

    1982- PPG average dropped from 22.9 PPG to 17.8 PPG. He has an embarrassing .47;4 TS% in the playoffs.

    He averaged a pedestrian 18.3 PPG against the Sixers. Averages 17 PPG in the final 2 games of the series. The Celtics lose again with HCA. The Celtics won 63 games and had the #1 SRS in the league. Has a 17.9 PER in the postseason.

    1983- The Celtics get swept by the Bucks. The Celtics win 56 games and had the #2 SRS in the league and lose again with HCA. Bird plays awful again. .47;8 TS%.

    His PPG average drops 2 PPG in the playoffs. Bird missed a game in the series but that game happened to be the closest one (Celtics lose by 4). In the 3 other games, the Celtics lose by 14.3 PPG with Bird on the court.

    1984- Great playoffs. Averaged 27-14-4 in the Finals and had a .60;7 TS% in the playoffs. First great playoffs of his career. The Celtics win the title over the Lakers in a massive upset.

    1985- Celtics make the finals, but Bird's numbers drop in the playoffs. His PPG drops by 2.8 PPG, Reb by 1.2 Reb, and AST by 0.7 AST. Had an average .53.6 TS% in the postseason. Bird plays even worse in the finals.

    His PPG dropped 4.9 PPG, his Reb 1.7 Reb, and AST by 1.6 AST in the finals compared to his regular-season average.

    His Finals TS% is just .52.7.

    Not only that, but the Celtics finish with 63 wins and lose once again with HCA a constant theme in Bird's career. This is the first time in Celtics history they lost in the finals with HCA.

    1986- Great year. His best year ever. Wins the title. .61.5 TS% in the postseason and amazing finals.

    1987- I think this is his most admirable playoffs up until the finals. The Celtics were quite banged up this year. Averaged 27-10-7 in the postseason with .57.7 TS%. Though his numbers in the finals dropped off once again.

    His PPG was 3.9 PPG down from the regular season, AST down by 2.1 AST and his TS% was just .534. In-game 6, Bird scored just 16 points on 6-16 (.37.5) shooting.

    In the final 3 games of this series, Bird averaged just 20 PPG on .37.7 shooting and .49.2 TS% with 3.7 TOV. This is the first time Bird has played without HCA in the playoffs and his team loses.

    1988- Bird's PPG drops by 5.4 PPG, Reb by 0.5 Reb. Bird shoots an awful 40-114 (.351) against the Pistons. Has a mediocre .53.8 TS% and 20.2 PER in the playoffs. The Celtics had HCA and the #1 SRS in the league and you probably guessed what happened next, Larry Bird loses with HCA once again.

    1989- Injured doesn't play in the postseason.

    1990- Bird shoots .53.9 TS% and has 3.6 TOV as the Celtics once again you guessed it, lose with HCA.

    1991- In the first round, his team needs to go 5 vs. the 41 win Pacers. His PPG drop by 2.3 PPG and his Rebounds and Assists also drop quite a bit. Has a .49.0 TS% 15.8 PER in the playoffs. Against the Pistons Bird averages 13.4 PPG on .44.6 TS%. His 56 win team played with you guessed it HCA and loses with it.

    1992- Doesn't play in the first round as the Celtics sweep the Pacers. In round 2, his team goes 7 against the Cavs, but Bird plays in 4 games and his team was 1-3 in those games.

    Averages a pathetic 11.3 PPG and 4.5 Reb which are 8.4 PPG and 5.2 Reb down from his regular-season average. He has a .51.4 TS% and 16.4 PER in the postseason.

    So out of 12 years, you get 9 years under 54.0 TS%, 5 under. 52.0 TS%, and 3 under. 50.0 TS%.

    From 80-83, he had a 19.9 playoff PER. In that span, Johnny Moore, Franklin Edwards, Gus Williams, and Bob Lanier all had better playoff PER and WS/48. Teammates Parish, McHale, Tiny Archibald, and Cedric Maxwell had better TS% in that span.

    From 88-92, he had an 18.8 PER which is 25th among players with 10 playoff games played.

    Players who had better playoff PER's in that span include Fat Lever, Terry Cummings, Roy Tarpley, Cedric Ceballos, and Sarunas Marciulionis. His teammates Reggie Lewis and Kevin McHale had better playoff PER's in that span.

    With Bird, you get a nice 4-year run that had 4 straight finals appearances but outside of that, you get a 4-year span of .50.5 TS% (80-83) and a .52.5 TS% span (88-92).





    In 12 years, you get 7 losses with HCA. Basically, out of Bird's 13-year career, you have 1 injury season and 3 non-descript postseasons at the end of his plus some playoff disappointments early in his career.

    Bird played in an NBA that shot about .48.5 in his career.


    Yet, in the post-season, he only shot .47.2. Which is bad enough, but, wait...it gets worse. He shot a career .45.5 in his five finals. In fact, he shot under .39.9 in his 31 Finals games as often as he shot over .49.9...eleven times (including two games of under .29.9!) His high Finals series was only .48.8, and his low was .41.9.

    And how did the great "Game Seven" Bird fare in his lone game seven finals game? 6-18...or 33%.

    Furthermore, in his five Finals, he was only the best player in two of them, and in fact, lost out to a teammate in the '81 Finals for the FMVP (Cedric Maxwell.) In fact, Bird wasn't even the second-best player on the floor in two more ('85 and '87 Finals.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by coastalmarker99 View Post
    Here are Kobe's finals stats

    2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

    2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

    2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

    2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

    2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

    2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

    2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%

    Obviously, saying Kobe is #1 ahead of Jordan was a troll, but Kobe is infact #2

    No center or ball-dominator (inferior skillsets that need more help to win) can be ranked ahead of MJ or Kobe.. or Bird... And once Giannis, Kawhi and KD get ring #3, then we can throw them in there at 4-6 spots in the all-time rankings

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    Obviously, saying Kobe is #1 ahead of Jordan was a troll, but Kobe is infact #2

    No center or ball-dominator (inferior skillsets that need more help to win) can be ranked ahead of MJ or Kobe.. or Bird... And once Giannis, Kawhi and KD get ring #3, then we can throw them in there at 4-6 spots in the all-time rankings
    It wasn’t a troll. You exposed yourself as a Kobe stan. No MJ stan would ever even say that jokingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RRR3 View Post
    It wasn’t a troll. You exposed yourself as a Kobe stan. No MJ stan would ever even say that jokingly.

    yeah, okay... if it helps you sleep tonight

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    Default Re: 3ball slips up, reveals self to be a butthurt Kobe stan just using MJ to attack L

    Quote Originally Posted by coastalmarker99 View Post
    Here are Kobe's finals stats

    2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

    2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

    2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

    2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

    2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

    2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

    2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%
    kobe shouldn't even have been playing in most of those finals. he toughed it out and played with a sprained ankle in 2000

    food poisoning in 2002, a surgically repaired shoulder and knee in 2004 in the middle of a rape trial, then 3 straight years of injuries to his shooting hand from 2008 to 2010 plus a knee injury that cut his minutes to 30 a game for 2011

    lebron skips months with any of these injuries. and when he came back after 2 months with a sprained ankle it was still used as an excuse for his loss to Phoenix

    kobe prevails against all odds. hes the toughest player of all time

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    Quote Originally Posted by coastalmarker99 View Post
    Why is it that Bird's defenders never can explain his underwhelming performances in the playoffs despite being playing on stacked teams for most of his career

    Why didn't he take over games and at least go down fighting any of those seasons that the Celtics fell short in?

    1980 ECF: Loses to the Sixers in 5 (not the stacked Sixers of later, we're talking a team where Dawkins was Dr. J's #2). Averages 22ppg on 44% shooting, including 5-19 for 12 points in the decisive Game 5.

    1981 Finals: Averages 15ppg on 42% shooting, including a streak in the middle where he scored 8, 8, and 12 in three consecutive games. Celtics win anyway cause of the worst Western Conference perhaps ever (two 40-42 teams had faced in the WCF), but Bird loses Finals MVP to Cedric Maxwell.

    1982 ECF: Averages 18ppg on 41% shooting and Boston loses to Philly in 7. Scores 20 on 7-18 shooting in losing Game 7 in a blowout.

    1983 ECSF: Boston is swept by a Bucks team whose best players are Moncrief, Johnson, Bridgeman, Lanier and Winters. Bird averages 19ppg on 44% shooting on the losing end of the sweep.

    1984 Finals: Boston won due to constant trips to the foul line and Magic choking, squeezing through despite Bird shooting just 6-18 for 20 points in the elimination game. But I guess 6-18 was just part of his strategy?

    1985 Finals: Loses to the Lakers in 6. Averages just 24ppg on 45% shooting in the Finals (Worthy, his matchup, averaged 24ppg on 56% shooting). His teammate McHale actually led all scorers with 26ppg on 60% shooting in the losing effort. Celtics lost Game 5 with Larry scoring just 20 (4th on the team behind DJ, McHale, and Parish and with 8-17 shooting was the worst of the four) and then lost Game 6 and the series with Larry shooting just 12-29 (again outscored by McHale who had 32 on 11-18 shooting).

    1987 Finals: Boston loses to LA in the Finals for the second time in three years. Bird goes 6-16 for 16 points in the deciding Game 6 loss. Dennis Johnson had 33 and McHale had 20 in that game. Worthy had 22 points on 10-16 shooting in only 36 minutes before fouling out. (Worthy averaged 21ppg on 52% shooting for the series.)

    1988 ECF: Averages 20ppg on 35% shooting as the Celtics go down in 6 to the Pistons. Bird scores 16 on 4-17 shooting in losing Game 6, while Boston was getting lit up by 6'5" SF Adrian Dantley.

    And I ain't even gonna get into 1989-1992, cause he was old and hurt, but he sucked in all of those seasons too.

    That's the reality. The truth is that Bird went out a LOT against teams that weren't necessarily better than his, and he went out while playing like shit in the decisive games.

    The truth is that Bird almost never took over in decisive games despite his manufactured "clutch" reputation. Why is this glossed over?

    Lebron has just as many crappy series - but the difference is that Lebron employs a shittier skillset that loses and needs more help than Bird, while also facing bums in the East compared to Bird facing super-teams in the East.

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    Default Re: 3ball slips up, reveals self to be a butthurt Kobe stan just using MJ to attack L

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    Obviously, saying Kobe is #1 ahead of Jordan was a troll, but Kobe is infact #2

    No center or ball-dominator (inferior skillsets that need more help to win) can be ranked ahead of MJ or Kobe.. or Bird... And once Giannis, Kawhi and KD get ring #3, then we can throw them in there at 4-6 spots in the all-time rankings

    Kobe has zero arguments to be ranked as a top 5 player of all time.


    Kobe did not deserve to win the only MVP he won in his career in 2008.



    Kobe Bryant was given a lifetime accomplishment MVP award, but Chris Paul clearly had the better statistical and impactful season than Kobe did in 2007-2008.

    Chris Paul:

    WS: 17.8 (led the NBA),

    WS/48: .284 (led the NBA),

    PER: 28.2 (2nd in NBA)

    VORP: 8.5 (2nd in NBA)

    PPG: 21.1 (19th in NBA)

    APG: 11.6 (1st in NBA)

    RPG: 4.0

    SPG: 2.7

    FG: 49%

    3FG: 37%

    FT: 85%



    Kobe Bryant:

    WS: 13.8 (4th in NBA),

    WS/48: .208 (8th in NBA),

    PER: 24.0 (8th in NBA),

    VORP: 6.0 (3rd in NBA)

    PPG: 28.3 (2nd in NBA)

    APG: 5.4 (19th in NBA)

    RPG: 6.3

    SPG: 1.8

    FG: 45%

    3FG: 36%

    FT: .84%
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    Default Re: 3ball slips up, reveals self to be a butthurt Kobe stan just using MJ to attack L

    Quote Originally Posted by coastalmarker99 View Post
    Here are Kobe's finals stats

    2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

    2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

    2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

    2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

    2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

    2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

    2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%

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    Default Re: 3ball slips up, reveals self to be a butthurt Kobe stan just using MJ to attack L

    Quote Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers View Post
    Why did you leave off his TS% for 2000? It was 41.1% btw

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    Quote Originally Posted by coastalmarker99 View Post
    Kobe has zero arguments to be ranked as a top 5 player of all time.


    Kobe did not deserve to win the only MVP he won in his career in 2008.



    Kobe Bryant was given a lifetime accomplishment MVP award, but Chris Paul clearly had the better statistical and impactful season than Kobe did in 2007-2008.

    Chris Paul:

    WS: 17.8 (led the NBA), WS/48: .284 (led the NBA),
    PER: 28.2 (2nd in NBA)
    VORP: 8.5 (2nd in NBA)

    PPG: 21.1 (19th in NBA)

    APG: 11.6 (1st in NBA)

    RPG: 4.0

    SPG: 2.7

    FG: 49%

    3FG: 37%

    FT: 85%



    Kobe Bryant:

    WS: 13.8 (4th in NBA),

    WS/48: .208 (8th in NBA),

    PER: 24.0 (8th in NBA),

    VORP: 6.0 (3rd in NBA)

    PPG: 28.3 (2nd in NBA)

    APG: 5.4 (19th in NBA)

    RPG: 6.3

    SPG: 1.8

    FG: 45%

    3FG: 36%

    FT: .84%
    Despite those, kobe never choked in a finals game 7 unlike your precious hero wilt.

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