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    Default Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off

    When done correctly, ball-domination wears down more defenses using any different combination of players and thus not reliant upon precise #2 options such as Jordan and Pippen.



    Jordan needed Pippen to dominate.

    LeBron just needed the ball.

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    Default Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off

    Quote Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers View Post
    Love how 3ball makes it seem like LeBron's style of play never won him rings, not only did he win rings, but two of them (Spurs & Warriors) were teams that had all-time great ball-movement.
    Lebron's not even that ball dominant. If we use 2016 as a reference he's 29th in time of possession.

    https://www.nba.com/stats/players/to...gular%20Season

    In 2014 he was 32nd

    He was 6th in 2020 while taking on full time pg duties.

    He's not an offball god like Durant, but he's hardly the face of ball dominance in the NBA.

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    Default Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off

    I agree. This is why Lebron's the greatest in the history of any and all worthy endeavors while MJ has a diminutive *****. Ipso facto.

    No but seriously OP's right. Though this argument in no way helps his thesis.

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    Default Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off

    OP saying low key the GS Warriors would have crushed any Jordan led team

    Good observation OP

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    Default Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off

    Quote Originally Posted by j3lademaster View Post
    Lebron's not even that ball dominant. If we use 2016 as a reference he's 29th in time of possession.

    https://www.nba.com/stats/players/to...gular%20Season

    In 2014 he was 32nd

    He was 6th in 2020 while taking on full time pg duties.

    He's not an offball god like Durant, but he's hardly the face of ball dominance in the NBA.

    But all the leaders for time of possession are point guards that bring the ball up.

    So for the vast majority of Lebron's career, he started at forward but then became a 2nd player on the floor with a point guard time of possession - these 2-PG lineups give teammates less hold-time and assists than they get in traditional 1-PG lineups, which results in low TEAM assists and a weak ball-movement brand that gets massively out-assisted in the Finals.

    Ultimately, when teams have time to adjust (in the playoffs), the best teams don't get tired defending ball-domination and therefore have more capacity to go off than their ball-dominant opponents (numerous examples cited previously).

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    Default Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off

    So basically LeBron chose to play a brand of ball that’s not designed to win, but won anyway…While MJ and Kobe took the easy way out

    Interesting…

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    Default Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off

    Quote Originally Posted by No Sir View Post
    So basically LeBron chose to play a brand of ball that’s not designed to win, but won anyway…While MJ and Kobe took the easy way out

    Interesting…

    Any simpleton ball-dominator can that forms super-teams in Dwight Howard's conference can go 4/10 (mostly lose) - Lebron simply lacks the skill to produce in the most-winning format and best brand of ball (ball movement)

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    Default Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off

    Quote Originally Posted by No Sir View Post
    So basically LeBron chose to play a brand of ball that’s not designed to win, but won anyway…While MJ and Kobe took the easy way out

    Interesting…
    Eureka! 3balls done it again, with countless hours of research and posting he's once again proved Lebron's greatness to the masses. You work for clutch bro?

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    Default Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off

    Is it the most effective way of maximizing talent and winning championships? No. But has it yielded some proven results? It has. Consider what 1987_Lakers said in that his style still cemented two championships against two great ball movement teams (the '13 Spurs and the '16 Warriors).

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    Default Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off

    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsNY View Post
    Is it the most effective way of maximizing talent and winning championships? No. But has it yielded some proven results? It has. Consider what 1987_Lakers said in that his style still cemented two championships against two great ball movement teams (the '13 Spurs and the '16 Warriors).
    Miami didn’t play “Bron ball”.

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    Default Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off

    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsNY View Post
    Is it the most effective way of maximizing talent and winning championships? No. But has it yielded some proven results? It has. Consider what 1987_Lakers said in that his style still cemented two championships against two great ball movement teams (the '13 Spurs and the '16 Warriors).
    The warriors were even up 3-1 at that point but lost their steam from there on, which was totally embarrassing for a 70+ win team.

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    Default Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    Any simpleton ball-dominator can that forms super-teams in Dwight Howard's conference can go 4/10 (mostly lose) - Lebron simply lacks the skill to produce in the most-winning format and best brand of ball (ball movement)
    Wrong.

    Here are your true thoughts about this:


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    Default Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off

    Quote Originally Posted by RRR3 View Post
    Miami didn’t play “Bron ball”.
    They played Bron ball in 2012 and 2013. Wade gave up the reigns before 2012 season.

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    Default Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off

    Another troll thread. You don't believe any of that.

    Your true thoughts:


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    Default Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off

    Quote Originally Posted by ELITEpower23 View Post
    Another troll thread. You don't believe any of that.

    Your true thoughts:


    I didn't say any of that, and even if I did, it doesn't say anything - what in those posts is so bad? It doesn't say Lebron is goat and says more needs to be seen and done, which didn't ultimately happen

    You guys are just retards with poor reading comprehension, so you have to fake victory and follow a fake... carry on

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