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The Bearded Menace
Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off
Originally Posted by 3ba11
I didn't say any of that, and even if I did, it doesn't say anything - what in those posts is so bad? It doesn't say Lebron is goat and says more needs to be seen and done, which didn't ultimately happen
You guys are just retards with poor reading comprehension, so you have to fake victory and follow a fake... carry on
How's your oubre > klay prediction going on? ;)
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Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off
Originally Posted by ShawkFactory
So you’ve said
It's what great coaches say:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2T4bJh165g&t=01m50s
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off
Risky move by 3ball. He knows he can't make the same repeating threads without getting banned so he bumps an old thread instead.
How will the mods react?
Btw, I thought you found a new site for you to talk basketball? What happened? Banned already?
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9x All Defensive 1st
Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off
Originally Posted by Ne 1
Also, see '89 and '90 ECF for another great display of teams getting hot against ball dominance....
also see 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 94, 00, 01
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Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off
Originally Posted by And1AllDay
also see 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 94, 00, 01
We know that Jordan wasn't ball-dominant because he's considered the goat shooting guard or OFF-guard, so he had expert jumpshooting skill and came off screens a lot - this is reflected in his high assisted rate, aka teammates assisted him on 50-60% of his field goals.. A cursory eye test or simple recall/intuition will also confirm this.
So MJ had a higher assisted rate that helps a team's assist capacity, while Lebron kills a team's assist capacity with a low assisted rate (not an assist target) due to his reliance on ball-domination and lack of expert jumpshooting skill.. Lebron's assisted rate has been 30% for most of his career (point guard level) until the last couple season where he's at 45% - all of this is far below the typical FORWARD, aka abnormal ball-dominance.
Not surprisingly, expert jumpshooters seem to have the dynasties and the highest team ceilings/Finals records, aka Curry, MJ, Kobe, Bird, Dirk, Kawhi.. They allow coaches maximum strategic capacity (coaches don't have to put the ball in their hands but still can at any time), while also having the best chemistry/fits with teammates (GM's dream).
Last edited by 3ba11; 02-10-2023 at 02:13 AM.
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Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off
Another 3ball theory confirmed years later as the mainstream media finally figures it out:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QngtYC...3D%3D&t=05m29s
Last edited by 3ba11; 05-05-2023 at 10:59 AM.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off
It's going to be interesting to see since every game left in this series will be played on 1 day of rest. Despite having more talent, the Lakers endurance is definitely going to be tested by the warriors system.
AD couldn't just sit out in the paint last game since JGreen was used in place of Looney. He had to actually run out to the 3pt line a lot... which may have tired him out for offense.
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NBA rookie of the year
Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off
2011 finals was a masterclass on why iso’s should be concise and when doubled, should result in lots of ball movement side to side.
Dallas wore Miami’s strong side overload D out viciously, while mostly standing still at the 3-pt line swinging the ball back and forth off Doubles on Dirk. Miami’s quads were prolly burning by the end of the 3rd.
Could help to explain away LeFraud’s epic choke job and almost unreal pathetic 4th quarter numbers in that series.
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Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off
Originally Posted by BarberSchool
2011 finals was a masterclass on why iso’s should be concise and when doubled, should result in lots of ball movement side to side.
Dallas wore Miami’s strong side overload D out viciously, while mostly standing still at the 3-pt line swinging the ball back and forth off Doubles on Dirk. Miami’s quads were prolly burning by the end of the 3rd.
Could help to explain away LeFraud’s epic choke job and almost unreal pathetic 4th quarter numbers in that series.
The Mavericks' iso-heavy attack actually moved the ball less than the Heat, who out-assisted the Mavs..
So the issue was less physical fatigue for Lebron and more mental fatigue - the team had a Lebron-Kobe-like duo that was supposed to win automatically - but instead of Lebron/Kobe it was more like Pippen/Kobe, which wasn't nearly enough to beat 1-star team - it turns out that only MJ can win titles with a sidekick getting 18/7/6 and frightened in the clutch
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The Bearded Menace
Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off
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Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off
3ball was right yet again.
Man, this guy just keeps on getting it right.
Bronie fluffers are shook.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off
disagree with OP... but see his point.
My point is most dominate teams with a Kobe ball hog , will have opponents fighting traps , screens and weak side defense help.
which means they are expending more energy to cover someone's ass.
Possibly 2 plays are less likely in defensive schemes , depending on plays ... but could be less effective offensive players as well
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Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off
Originally Posted by 3ba11
Here's Ethan Strauss saying that ball movement conserves energy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=de...3y10g&t=09m53s
He's actually misguided because ball-domination and ball movement require similar energy for the offense to execute, but different energy to defend - ball movement requires more energy from a defense and wears down a defense so they have less capacity for offense, while ball-domination allows a defense to rest by comparison, and therefore more likely to get hot.
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Re: Ball-domination doesn't wear down defenses, so opponent has more capacity for off
Originally Posted by 3ba11
See the 09' ECF, 11' Finals, 14' Finals or 17' Finals to see teams get hot against ball-domination
Ball-movement is much more effective at wearing down a defense and winning the battle of attrition.. The best defense is a good offense - a tenet of all competition
Add the 2023 Nuggets to the long list of teams that "got hot" against Lebron's abnormal ball-dominance for his size/position
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