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    For those with proof of natural immunity. I have been expecting this.

    Spectrum Health workers can use natural immunity as vaccine mandate exemption

    Spectrum Health will grant temporary exemptions from its employee vaccine mandate to individuals who can prove they have naturally acquired immunity to COVID-19.

    The west Michigan hospital system, which is in the process of merging with Southfield-based Beaumont Health, will grant an exemption to those who have a positive PCR or antigen test for COVID-19 plus a positive antibody test from within the past three months, the health system said in a statement Thursday.
    https://amp.detroitnews.com/amp/8262491002

    From what I have read private companies are exempt from any type of legal challenge regarding vaccine mandates. However I do expect to see proof of immunity become more widely accepted as a substitute for the vaccine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tontoz View Post
    For those with proof of natural immunity. I have been expecting this.



    https://amp.detroitnews.com/amp/8262491002

    From what I have read private companies are exempt from any type of legal challenge regarding vaccine mandates. However I do expect to see proof of immunity become more widely accepted as a substitute for the vaccine.
    This will happen in some instances but i really doubt it will become prevalent in the future. The end goal for Government is still the vaccine passport and mass vaccination with booster shots every few months. A third of the US population has been infected so mandates wouldn't be a good selling point for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PistonsFan#21 View Post
    This will happen in some instances but i really doubt it will become prevalent in the future. The end goal for Government is still the vaccine passport and mass vaccination with booster shots every few months. A third of the US population has been infected so mandates wouldn't be a good selling point for them.
    This will become common for a couple of reasons.

    First of all the court cases regarding vaccine mandates were decided a long time ago, before antibody testing became a thing. Now that we have antibody testing there will be a flurry of lawsuits saying that recovered covid patients shouldn't have to get the vaccine.

    Secondly is the fact.that it is expensive to hire and train new people. It only makes financial sense for companies to show flexibility on this issue.

    The govt conspiracy argument has been and will continue to be complete nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tontoz View Post
    This will become common for a couple of reasons.

    First of all the court cases regarding vaccine mandates were decided a long time ago, before antibody testing became a thing. Now that we have antibody testing there will be a flurry of lawsuits saying that recovered covid patients shouldn't have to get the vaccine.

    Secondly is the fact.that it is expensive to hire and train new people. It only makes financial sense for companies to show flexibility on this issue.

    The govt conspiracy argument has been and will continue to be complete nonsense.
    So you would agree that an estimate of over 100 million Americans should be exempt from vaccine mandates?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PistonsFan#21 View Post
    So you would agree that over 100 million recovered Americans should be exempt from vaccine mandates?
    I think a lot of them will be, but it won't be a uniform thing. I think individual companies will make their own guidelines like this one did.

    The Biden mandate isn't a true mandate. If a govt employee doesn't get vaxed they can still keep their job, they just have to get a covid test weekly which is nothing.

    Employer mandates are real, get vaccinated or hit the road. It doesn't make sense from a financial standpoint to fire a recovered covid patient for not getting vaxed, assuming they still have sufficient antibodies.

    I expect to see many stories like this one in the coming months, as well as lawsuits which have already started.

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    The religious argument is laughable

    https://www.spaghettimonster.org/202...ption-letters/

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    Good for them but let's see how long it takes these incompetent f*cks to actually do that. Meanwhile they'll continue giving millions of covid patients the vaccine waisting millions of vaccines that could of gone to old, immune compromised people in other countries that need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronbron23 View Post
    Good for them but let's see how long it takes these incompetent f*cks to actually do that. Meanwhile they'll continue giving millions of covid patients the vaccine waisting millions of vaccines that could of gone to old, immune compromised people in other countries that need it.

    Technically it isn't a waste. From what i have read the immunity from both the vaccine and natural immunity erode over time. I have also read that the strongest immunity out there is people who had covid, recovered and then later got the vaccine. It appears they are pretty much immune from getting covid at all.

    I bet a lot of these recovered covid patients haven't been so quick to get the vaccines because of their natural immunity. There have already been a few lawsuits about this, people suing to avoid mandatory vaccines because they have natural immunity.

    From a legal standpoint this is probably new territory. The laws regarding mandatory vaccines were passed a long time ago before antibody testing became a thing. It will take some time for the legal system and employer rules to catch up.

    I bet this will be a pretty common thing in 6 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chick Stern View Post
    The religious argument is laughable

    https://www.spaghettimonster.org/202...ption-letters/
    Just means the mandate does nothing, really. I'm willing to bet they're overwhelmingly religious, whether they're liberal or conservative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tontoz View Post
    Technically it isn't a waste. From what i have read the immunity from both the vaccine and natural immunity erode over time. I have also read that the strongest immunity out there is people who had covid, recovered and then later got the vaccine. It appears they are pretty much immune from getting covid at all.

    I bet a lot of these recovered covid patients haven't been so quick to get the vaccines because of their natural immunity. There have already been a few lawsuits about this, people suing to avoid mandatory vaccines because they have natural immunity.

    From a legal standpoint this is probably new territory. The laws regarding mandatory vaccines were passed a long time ago before antibody testing became a thing. It will take some time for the legal system and employer rules to catch up.

    I bet this will be a pretty common thing in 6 months.
    No it's definitely a waste. If you have antibodies that's good enough. Save that vaccine for someone who is unhealthy and has no protection.

    And i don't know if a lot or only a little haven't got vaccines because they had immunity. The cdc, government and media were lying saying the vaccine was much better so i highly Doubt it.

    As far as testing for antibodies they didn't even need that for 40 million people who they already knew had covid. They could of started with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronbron23 View Post
    No it's definitely a waste. If you have antibodies that's good enough. Save that vaccine for someone who is unhealthy and has no protection.

    And i don't know if a lot or only a little haven't got vaccines because they had immunity. The cdc, government and media were lying saying the vaccine was much better so i highly Doubt it.

    As far as testing for antibodies they didn't even need that for 40 million people who they already knew had covid. They could of started with that.
    Again they didn't know, and still don't, how long the antibodies last from the vaccines or from natural immunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PistonsFan#21 View Post
    This will happen in some instances but i really doubt it will become prevalent in the future. The end goal for Government is still the vaccine passport and mass vaccination with booster shots every few months. A third of the US population has been infected so mandates wouldn't be a good selling point for them.
    Latest CDC model has around 180 million cumulative infections in the US since February 2020.

    Cumulatively, no known infections prevented by Trump's social distancing & mask guidelines, Trump's travel bans, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tontoz View Post
    Again they didn't know, and still don't, how long the antibodies last from the vaccines or from natural immunity.
    Well at the time they knew or thought they knew because they were telling everyone that u get the vaccine and you can go back to your normal lives. Clearly they were wrong like they've been wrong on alot of things covid. It's fine though u can excuse there greed all u want. People like u will always excuse their behavior because it's easier living in ignorance then to accept that the people who create your idols aren't as holy as you pretend they are. To do this would be admitting that your world is a lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronbron23 View Post
    Well at the time they knew or thought they knew because they were telling everyone that u get the vaccine and you can go back to your normal lives. Clearly they were wrong like they've been wrong on alot of things covid. It's fine though u can excuse there greed all u want. People like u will always excuse their behavior because it's easier living in ignorance then to accept that the people who create your idols aren't as holy as you pretend they are. To do this would be admitting that your world is a lie.

    There are plenty of legit reasons to criticize our government. You just don't seem very good at identifying.them.

    They didn't know everything about the virus from the beginning. Neither did a lot of experts, including your heroes at WHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tontoz View Post
    There are plenty of legit reasons to criticize our government. You just don't seem very good at identifying.them.

    They didn't know everything about the virus from the beginning. Neither did a lot of experts, including your heroes at WHO.
    I gave plenty u just chose to ignore them. U can't even admit that the us bought way more vaccines than they needed which took millions of vaccines away from countries who couldn't get any thus killing thousands of people. This is fact but somehow u just choose to deny it.

    And if they didnt know much about it why were they pretending to? Why did they tell people the vaccine was better than natural immunity for a covid patient? Why did they say the vaccinated could go back to normal once they get the vaccine? Why are they saying children need the vaccine? People see these lies and question the cdc and governments intelligence and intentions. This has been a cluster **** since day 1. This is why some people won't get the vaccine. For good reasons they don't trust these idiots.

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