Title Runs Without An All-NBA Teammate

[Nowitness]

Nope, just a coincidence. Manu in 2005 had arguably his best season and was the best player in the world during the playoffs. He made the allstar team that season but didn't make the all nba for whatever reason. Parker was also just as good as he ever was in 2007 and won finals MVP. 2003 was the only year but again he had three hall of famers on his team in Parker\Manu\Robinson.

Shaq was in the same exact era as Duncan and averaged 30 points per game over the span of 3 titles.

So to be clear, Shaq averaging 30 with average D and a teammate putting up 25/30 PPG is better than 25 PPG with all time defence and his next best teammate putting up 15 PPG?

Cut your shit, Manu the best player in 2005. For one playoff series when Duncan was getting doubled constantly and still playing all time defence? Context is key.

Was or wasn’t 2003 an offensive carry? And if it wasn’t, please elaborate, because scoring 11 more PPG in a slow era on the slowest team whilst also being the teams best passer sounds like a carry to me

[rmt]

Some here would use honors from teammates' entire career (and in HBK's case for Kawhi - a future that hasn't happened yet or for DRob - honors before TD even stepped foot on an NBA court) to cover all rings - ignoring how they were playing that title year/playoff.

[Nowitness]

Some here would use honors from teammates' entire career (and in HBK's case for Kawhi - a future that hasn't happened yet or for DRob - honors before TD even stepped foot on an NBA court) to cover all rings - ignoring how they were playing that title year/playoff.

This.

By that standard how did Kobe not win titles with teams consisting of Shaq/Malone/Payton and Howard/Nash/Gasol?

It’s because with others we give context. With Duncan how Robinson played in 1993 was apparently the way he played in 2003, or the way Parker/Manu played in 2013 was the way they played in 2003 when it clearly wasn’t

[iamgine]

In 2003 he faced Shaq/Kobe (1st team), Dirk/Kidd (2nd team), and Nash/Marbury (3rd team). So faced x 6 All-NBA opponents with none on his team.

Other years?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

So to be clear, Shaq averaging 30 with average D and a teammate putting up 25/30 PPG is better than 25 PPG with all time defence and his next best teammate putting up 15 PPG?

Cut your shit, Manu the best player in 2005. For one playoff series when Duncan was getting doubled constantly and still playing all time defence? Context is key.

Was or wasn’t 2003 an offensive carry? And if it wasn’t, please elaborate, because scoring 11 more PPG in a slow era on the slowest team whilst also being the teams best passer sounds like a carry to me

Shaq in 2000 was +10PPG over Kobe, just like Duncan was +10PPG over Parker in 2003.

The difference is Shaq has averaged 30 in multiple titles and 28 in another title. While Duncan has never even averaged 25PPG and was even in the low 20's during his 99\05\07 titles. Duncan is generally a Scottie Pippen level scorer, while Shaq is Jordan.

Shaq is an elite alltime great offensive player, Duncan is just a good offensive player.

Manu's advanced stats in the entire 2005 playoffs crush Duncan and he led the playoff in VORP.

[rmt]

David Robinson: 10

Manu: 2

Tony Parker: 4

Kawhi Leonard: 5

That's why this stat can mislead you. Duncan played with 21 all nba team guys spreaded between 4 players. By the time kawhi career is done, it will be like 28 all nba total selections between teammates.

Conclusion: Duncan was the most privileged overrated piece of shit in NBA history. Never an all time great offense player and couldn't even average 25 points during any of his rings. You can't be in the top 10 when every other guy is like 5 tiers ahead of you offensively.

If I were to do the same stupid thing you just did, Kawhi has already played with 43 All nba team mates - without counting the ones in the future for Paul George.

Duncan: 15
Parker: 4
Manu: 2
Lowry: 1
Marc Gasol: 2
Pau Gasol: 4
Paul George: 6
Alridge: 5
Rondo: 1
Cousins: 2
Siakim: 1

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Some here would use honors from teammates' entire career (and in HBK's case for Kawhi - a future that hasn't happened yet or for DRob - honors before TD even stepped foot on an NBA court) to cover all rings - ignoring how they were playing that title year/playoff.

Robinson was a 3rd team in 2000 and 2001, he was even better in 1999.

Parker was 2nd team in 2014 and kawhi was finals MVP

Manu was allstar in 2005 and should of been finals mvp

2003 was an exception because Webber\Dirk got hurt but parker or manu were still better then Kenyon Martin.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

This.

By that standard how did Kobe not win titles with teams consisting of Shaq/Malone/Payton and Howard/Nash/Gasol?

It’s because with others we give context. With Duncan how Robinson played in 1993 was apparently the way he played in 2003, or the way Parker/Manu played in 2013 was the way they played in 2003 when it clearly wasn’t

Kobe made the finals in 2004, Howard\Nash\Gasol he got injured.

You can't really knock Manu\Parker for their lack of stats when Duncan can't even average 25 points, he wasn't a high volume scorer.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

If I were to do the same stupid thing you just did, Kawhi has already played with 43 All nba team mates - without counting the ones in the future for Paul George.

Duncan: 15
Parker: 4
Manu: 2
Lowry: 1
Marc Gasol: 2
Pau Gasol: 4
Paul George: 6
Alridge: 5
Rondo: 1
Cousins: 2
Siakim: 1

Duncan played with prime Robinson in 1999 and then played with Parker\Manu their entire careers.

None of these guys you listed were in their primes besides Lowry\Siakam who have a combined 2 all nba teams hahahaha

[Nowitness]

Shaq in 2000 was +10PPG over Kobe, just like Duncan was +10PPG over Parker in 2003.

The difference is Shaq has averaged 30 in multiple titles and 28 in another title. While Duncan has never even averaged 25PPG and was even in the low 20's during his 99\05\07 titles. Duncan is generally a Scottie Pippen level scorer, while Shaq is Jordan.

Shaq is an elite alltime great offensive player, Duncan is just a good offensive player.

I’m still not evening arguing in a vacuum. Did it did Duncan not carry the 03 Spurs offensively?
Manu's advanced stats in the entire 2005 playoffs crush Duncan and he led the playoff in VORP.

I love how you’re completely ignoring the defensive side of the ball. So again 30 PPG with average D is better than 25 POG and all time defence?

Kobe’s stats in 2000 are worse because he was injured, but even then Kobe was an All-NBA defender. Did Duncan have an All-NBA or All-NBA defender in 2000? Cause Shaq had both

[Carbine]

If you think Robinson in '99 was Prime Robinson you would be mistaken

[Hey Yo]

Nope, just a coincidence. Manu in 2005 had arguably his best season and was the best player in the world during the playoffs. He made the allstar team that season but didn't make the all nba for whatever reason. Parker was also just as good as he ever was in 2007 and won finals MVP. 2003 was the only year but again he had three hall of famers on his team in Parker\Manu\Robinson.

Shaq was in the same exact era as Duncan and averaged 30 points per game over the span of 3 titles.

Parker and Manu already had HOF careers in 2003??




dumb

[Nowitness]

Curry is now on the list

[TheGoatest]

Over half a decade later, I still cannot believe this happened:



Against a 73-9 team.
While being the only player ever to lead both teams in all 5 categories in any playoff, let alone finals series.
What a friggin beast!

[Xiao Yao You]

If you think Robinson in '99 was Prime Robinson you would be mistaken

wasn't even a star anymore. Nice role player