For the first 9 yrs of their playoff career (prime), MJ averaged more APG than Lebron

[TheGoatest]

What about the rest of their careers? Or you just like to stop at 9 like a clown

Not only that, but he chose a specific set of seasons to coincide with two fluke high apg playoff runs for Jordan, and two fluke low apg for LeBron.
LMAO @ stopping at 9. Who rounds things off at 9? The 10 is right there. Why couldn't you make this thread about a round number like 10 and compare their apg in their first 10 playoff runs? Or the first 5?

[3ba11]

Not only that, but he chose a specific set of seasons to coincide with two fluke high apg playoff runs for Jordan, and two fluke low apg for LeBron.
LMAO @ stopping at 9. Who rounds things off at 9? The 10 is right there. Why couldn't you make this thread about a round number like 10 and compare their apg in their first 10 playoff runs? Or the first 5?

You can't include 2015-2022 for Lebron because that's the Warriors era where EVERYONE's assists, points and stats increased - Harden, Westbrook, Lebron and other ball-dominators saw their APG and stats increase in the Warriors' era.

So we can only use 2006-2014, which is his first 9 years and before the Warriors' stat inflation and before he was 30 (before they got old).

[3ba11]

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MJ had futuristic handle:

[3ba11]

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Furthermore, Jordan was an off-ball player but a better passer than Lebron when he played the PG role:










Ringer.com: MJ was 30 yrs ahead of time as 30/10/10 PG like Westbrook, Luka, etc.








However, learning to win (organic) = learning to produce w/out the offense revolving around u
aka dominating the ball LESS

Lebron never learned this lesson, so he had to team-hop for sufficient talent to offset the weaker strategy/brand of ball.

It's funny because Jordan led Lebron in APG for the first 9 years of their respective playoff careers, which coincided with losing more than the lower assist playoff years later in his career - better ball movement equaled more winning as his career progressed.

[StrongLurk]

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Furthermore, Jordan was an off-ball player but a better passer than Lebron when he played the PG role:










Ringer.com: MJ was 30 yrs ahead of time as 30/10/10 PG like Westbrook, Luka, etc.








However, learning to win (organic) = learning to produce w/out the offense revolving around u
aka dominating the ball LESS

Lebron never learned this lesson, so he had to team-hop for sufficient talent to offset the weaker strategy/brand of ball.

It's funny because Jordan led Lebron in APG for the first 9 years of their respective playoff careers, which coincided with losing more than the lower assist playoff years later in his career - better ball movement equaled more winning as his career progressed.

It's funny how insecure you are about Lebron. Makes sense I guess considering you're crazy and Lebron is the second best player of all time.

Aren't you like 44 years old? How do you act so immaturely?

[Hey Yo]

Do you realize that Lebron's sidekicks destroy the league MVP in numerous playoff runs (2011, 2016, 2020)?

Don't act like Jordan had a sidekick that was destroying the league MVP - if he did, no team could beat him...

But it was nowhere near that, so Jordan was barely beating teams like the Jazz or Sonics, instead of sweeping them with a sidekick that could destroy their best player... Jordan would've swept the 16' Warriors and beaten the 17' Warriors in 6 if he had a teammate that could destroy the league MVP (achieve elite 1st option stats) and had a 3rd offensive star (super-team).

Remember that Lebron had the preseason favorite from 2011-2016, but these favorites fell to underdog or loser by the Finals every year except the Ray Allen miracle.. So Lebron starts with the on-paper/talent favorite, but falls to underdog as the season progresses due to weak brand of ball.

Jordan's 5th option got multiple FMVP votes.

[Hey Yo]

We do?

The same Jazz team that took out the Lakers with Shaq, Kobe, Jones, Van Excel, Horry, Fisher etc via 4-0 and 4-1?

And the same Bron led team that got destroyed 4-0 and 4-1?

Yeah, super convincing indeed.

The same Jazz team who only scored 54pts in a Finals game?

[3ba11]

Jordan's 5th option got multiple FMVP votes.

That's an indictment on Pippen that he couldn't get more votes than a 4 ppg player and didn't get a single vote in 6 Finals (0/6).

Pippen is the only sidekick that went more than 2 Finals victories without getting FMVP or 25 ppg, so he went longer than anyone without playing at an elite level

[Hey Yo]

That's an indictment on Pippen that he couldn't get more votes than a 4 ppg player and didn't get a single vote in 6 Finals (0/6).

Pippen is the only sidekick that went more than 2 Finals victories without getting FMVP or 25 ppg, so he went longer than anyone without playing at an elite level

Nope... it's an indictment of a severely stacked superteam.

[3ba11]

Nope... it's an indictment of a severely stacked superteam.

How many votes for Pippen?

Pippen is the only sidekick that went more than 2 Finals victories without getting FMVP or 25 ppg, so the Bulls won with less production from their sidekick than anyone else did..

What were Pippen's stats in that series (15 on 34%) or at ANY point during the 2nd three-peat (17 on 41% for entire 96-98' Playoffs)

Only Jordan could win with that crap and have goat offenses with literally the least offensive help ever - the Bulls went 4 on 5 with Rodman and then Westbrick sucked, I mean Pippen sucked.

[3ba11]

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Thread Cliffs

Jordan averaged more assists at point guard than Lebron and more assists in the playoffs before the pace and space era (pre-2015), so he was a superior passer and obviously a far superior scorer

[GrayGoat]

Good bump op you got us all believing

[3ba11]

Good bump op you got us all believing

There's nothing to "believe"... There's only being "informed" of the facts (thread title)

[3ba11]

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PLAYOFFS

06-14 Lebron'...... 28/8/6
85-93' Jordan...... 35/7/7

The narratives of MJ being "just a scorer" are statistically-false since MJ actually averaged more playoff APG for the first half of their chips (85-93' vs 06-14')

The "just a scorer" narrative is probably the most egregiously-false, since MJ actually passed more than Lebron to win his first 3 chips and also averaged more APG during his stint at PG than Lebron ever did, and also averaged more APG on the championship level than Lebron ever did

[beau_boy04]

Lebron looking at his stats mid game and every 5 minutes and see if he needed to come off the bench to stat pad a lil more.

MJ looking to win games and chips.