If the vaccine doesn't prevent infection or spread....

[SATAN]

Bronbron23 is a pathological liar.

[Patrick Chewing]

Where are you getting this 5x higher?

Just check the CDC bruh! Nowhere have I seen or heard that the vaccinated spread it less.

[Bronbron23]

LMAO YÂ’all musta forgot that over 50% of Covid is spread by Asymptomatic. Why itÂ’s so hard concept that vaccine is a preventable measure to mitigate the risk.

ItÂ’s like you are walking in a building , travel, going to the game or going to a concert,event etc and you already know which is healthy and which one is not . LMAO only people who are grounded have difficulty understanding this.

Like I told you , 40% of Americans are obese and over half have underlying conditions. This is not a best nation to fit your narrative. If you want to get it done ideally, let every Americans get a antigen/antibody test and whoever confirm positive on antigen will take a viral load test . And whoever get positive on antibody have routine test done once thereÂ’s is a metric established to determine Covid immunity. Like I said if a mask is a problem, you possibly expect people to behave accordingly and do all that. LMAO

For one the asymptomatic argument is a terrible one. What do you think most vaccinated people are when they get covid? They're asymptomatic whereas most non vaccinated are gonna get symptoms. The vaccinated with symptoms are gonna stay hime because they have symptoms and the unvaccinated with no symptoms are gonna be out in public spreading this thing like crazy. This is basic common sense and is an argument that many experts have made.

And i saw the cdc numbers but again they're misleading for a few reasons. One is as you say alot of people are obese. These are the ones getting sick and or dying. Not the millions of healthy people. Not the millions of vaccinated people.

Qnd it's a fact that the vaccines aren't effective in reducing the spread. Yes it reduces it more than not being vaccinated but that's a terrible argument because both are spreading this like crazy. It be like saying you should smoking 30 cigarettes a day is better for you than smoking 60 cigarettes a day. It's dumb af dude.

[Bronbron23]

Bronbron23 is a pathological liar.

What e exactly have i lied about exactly? I've said the vaccines aren't effective at significantly reducing the spread and that covid for the most part only kills and hospitalizes the old, obese and immune compromised. What about those statements are factually incorrect?

[Rooster]

For one the asymptomatic argument is a terrible one. What do you think most vaccinated people are when they get covid? They're asymptomatic whereas most non vaccinated are gonna get symptoms. The vaccinated with symptoms are gonna stay hime because they have symptoms and the unvaccinated with no symptoms are gonna be out in public spreading this thing like crazy. This is basic common sense and is an argument that many experts have made.

And i saw the cdc numbers but again they're misleading for a few reasons. One is as you say alot of people are obese. These are the ones getting sick and or dying. Not the millions of healthy people. Not the millions of vaccinated people.

Qnd it's a fact that the vaccines aren't effective in reducing the spread. Yes it reduces it more than not being vaccinated but that's a terrible argument because both are spreading this like crazy. It be like saying you should smoking 30 cigarettes a day is better for you than smoking 60 cigarettes a day. It's dumb af dude.

LMAO Before there was a vaccine brah, the R was 3-4 and a studies validated that over half is spread by a asymptomatic. This is before the vaccine came out.

The Delta variant is from India when they were most people where non vaccinated.

Now your claiming the vaccinated spreading it like crazy on the same ratio or whatever slightly only definitions you can come out out.

Non vaccinated - over 300 k
vaccinated -10 K

What kind of math you can come out with to justify your assumption? LMAO

LMAO. Do you understand what Efficacy mean . Can you count?

[Bronbron23]

LMAO Before there was a vaccine brah, the R was 3-4 and a studies validated that over half is spread by a asymptomatic. This is before the vaccine came out.

The Delta variant is from India when they were most people where non vaccinated.

Now your claiming the vaccinated spreading it like crazy on the same ratio or whatever slightly only definitions you can come out out.

Non vaccinated - over 300 k
vaccinated -10 K

What kind of math you can come out with to justify your assumption? LMAO

LMAO. Do you understand what Efficacy mean . Can you count?

Those numbers aren't causal though. There's lots of variables on why those numbers could be what they are. In actually controlled studies it's nowhere near that big of a gap.

Again it's a fact that the vaccines aren't effective in significantly reducing the spread. Are you actually arguing this?

[Rooster]

Those numbers aren't causal though. There's lots of variables on why those numbers could be what they are. In actually controlled studies it's nowhere near that big of a gap.

Again it's a fact that the vaccines aren't effective in significantly reducing the spread. Are you actually arguing this?

Variables you say . LMAO

These are mostly mRNA vaccinated medical personnel who work with sick patients.

109,865 health care personnel were tested across the participating sites; of these persons, 8365 (7.6%) tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. A total of 1482 participants with a positive test and at least one Covid-19–like symptom (cases) and 3449 with a negative test were enrolled. Among the enrolled health care personnel, 69% worked at acute care hospitals (including emergency departments), 31% in outpatient or specialty clinics, 1% in urgent care clinics, and 1% in long-term care facilities.

LMAO. Are you keep defining the variables again???




Again do you understand what EFFICACY MEANS?

[Bronbron23]

Variables you say . LMAO

These are mostly mRNA vaccinated medical personnel who work with sick patients.

109,865 health care personnel were tested across the participating sites; of these persons, 8365 (7.6%) tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. A total of 1482 participants with a positive test and at least one Covid-19–like symptom (cases) and 3449 with a negative test were enrolled. Among the enrolled health care personnel, 69% worked at acute care hospitals (including emergency departments), 31% in outpatient or specialty clinics, 1% in urgent care clinics, and 1% in long-term care facilities.

LMAO. Are you keep defining the variables again???




Again do you understand what EFFICACY MEANS?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/

Right so why is there no correlation between vaccinations and cases and deaths in so many places?

And you have no idea what efficacy means dude. Efficacy has to do with how these vaccines work when applied to regular society not controlled studies. Clearly these vaccines aren't doing a great job at that. Some of the most vaccinated places are having record cases and some of the lowest vaccinated places are having almost no cases.

It's pretty simple dude. Covid effects the old, fat and immune compromised. These are the people who should get the vaccines. Not the young, healthy and those who have natural immunity. This isn't even arguable

[Rooster]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/

Right so why is there no correlation between vaccinations and cases and deaths in so many places?

And you have no idea what efficacy means dude. Efficacy has to do with how these vaccines work when applied to regular society not controlled studies. Clearly these vaccines aren't doing a great job at that. Some of the most vaccinated places are having record cases and some of the lowest vaccinated places are having almost no cases.

It's pretty simple dude. Covid effects the old, fat and immune compromised. These are the people who should get the vaccines. Not the young, healthy and those who have natural immunity. This isn't even arguable

LMAO you used a Pfizer jab but you donÂ’t want to use Moderna 76% efficacy against Delta in real world.

How about this letÂ’s USE ALL VACCINES (THAT IS DESIGN FOR ALPHA )
AGAINST DELTA

https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...-delta-variant

Again you have trouble processing information.

Look brah Vaccination on healthy young individual bring little benefit to himself/herself. ThatÂ’s been given. But in general , vaccination lower the risk and greatly mitigate the risk of hospitalization and death. ItÂ’s not mutually exclusive . Both can be right at the same time

but if you are running a company of letÂ’s say over 10.100s 1000s. You can not access all of their medical information . You canÂ’t possibly know if they Asthma, HIV , HTN, Lupus, Type 1 Diabetes or Type 2 etc. and you are not most like likely qualified as Physician to validate your employer are HEALTHY. Your logic trying to identify them if they are HEALTHY by simply eyeballing is not applicable in REAL WORLD. What you can control is mitigating the risk.

[Bronbron23]

LMAO you used a Pfizer jab but you donÂ’t want to use Moderna 76% efficacy against Delta in real world.

How about this letÂ’s USE ALL VACCINES (THAT IS DESIGN FOR ALPHA )
AGAINST DELTA

https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...-delta-variant

Again you have trouble processing information.

Look brah Vaccination on healthy young individual bring little benefit to himself/herself. ThatÂ’s been given. But in general , vaccination lower the risk and greatly mitigate the risk of hospitalization and death. ItÂ’s not mutually exclusive . Both can be right at the same time

but if you are running a company of letÂ’s say over 10.100s 1000s. You can not access all of their medical information . You canÂ’t possibly know if they Asthma, HIV , HTN, Lupus, Type 1 Diabetes or Type 2 etc. and you are not most like likely qualified as Physician to validate your employer are HEALTHY. Your logic trying to identify them if they are HEALTHY by simply eyeballing is not applicable in REAL WORLD. What you can control is mitigating the risk.

Yes obviously vaccines work for those who need them. I'm not arguing vaccines aren't effective in minimizing deaths and hospitalizations. I'm arguing against mandates trying to force everyone to get the vaccines. Even the people who aren't at high risk.

And companies don't have to do anything. Those who wanna vaccinated should get vaccinated and those who don't want to get vaccinated don't have to. If the vaccines work that means your protected right? And since this thing is spreading regardless if your vaccinated or not it dosn't matter whether i'm vaccinated or not right?

[SATAN]

What e exactly have i lied about exactly? I've said the vaccines aren't effective at significantly reducing the spread and that covid for the most part only kills and hospitalizes the old, obese and immune compromised. What about those statements are factually incorrect?

You are acting stupid for attention lately and you know it.

[Bronbron23]

You are acting stupid for attention lately and you know it.

Not at all and saying so dosn't make it true. Answer the question. What is factually wrong about me saying vaccines aren't effective in significantly reducing the spread? What is factually wrong about saying the naturally immune, young and healthy adults aren't at significant risk?