Originally Posted by
bizil
BINGO!! A lot of DELUSIONAL Pip fans fall into that. My opinions of Pip ARE BASED on a number of factors. The ULTIMATE player is the guy who has great scoring ability AND very good to great all around ability in one package. Pip was NEVER that type of player. Not a diss JUST FACTS! On Open Court, I heard Zeke and Webber BOTH say they preferred Nique as a player over Pippen. On a peak-prime level, I agree with that. On a GOAT level, I give Pip the edge due to his overall resume. And FOR THE RECORD, Nique is my favorite player of all time. Yet I'm willing to admit GOAT wise Pip has the edge. Peak-prime wise, give me Nique!
Yet with six rings Pip NEVER CAME CLOSE to top 10-15 GOAT level status. Hell was never argued by ANY TV analyst, sports writer, former player, current player on television on that level. This is with six rings!!! Why is that for somebody with a resume as decorated as Pippen's. It's BECAUSE of his peak-prime value. It's the ONLY LOGICAL REASON!
Pip's one of the VERY SMALL AMOUNT of players that can say he revolutionized his position FLAT OUT! His 6'8 freak athletic point forward shit was the BLUEPRINT for G Hill and Bron down the road. So his solo accolades, team accolades, longevity being great and redefining a position WEREN'T the problem. He DIDN'T have the blend of great scoring ability AND very good to great all around ability that the MJs, Brons, Kobes, Magics, Birds, KDs, Wades, Oscars, Wests, Baylors, Barrys, Hondos, etc. on the perimeter. So peak-prime wise, he HAS to fall behind those guys.
So instead of being a top 10-15 GOAT legend with 6 rings, he's a top 30 legend type legend with six rings. Bill Russell in the top 5-6 GOAT is the EXCEPTION for a non-alpha dog scorer to be on the level. Because he had 11 rings and 5 MVPS. Pip accolades WHILE IMPRESSIVE weren't on that level to put him in that area.