The truths and myths to Scottie Pippen

[3ba11]

Theres no bigger box score reader than 3ball. And you're siding with him. He totally omits defense, rebounds, passing, intangibles. Woolridge hit 25ppg as a scorer one year. That what 3ball says Jordan needed. Why couldn't he get even 1 win vs the Celtics in 86? With Woolridge, a Hall of Famer in Gervin, and Charles Oakley.

Firstly, Gervin didn't play in the 86' playoffs

Secondly, Woolridge was never anywhere near a top 3 player at his position in the conference (all-star).

Otoh, Lebron entered the league with the East all-star center on his team and high seeds, while Jordan had no all-stars and low seeds

Lebron also added his opponent's sidekick (a 22/5/5 all-defender acquisition) and the future COY before entering the 06' Playoffs.. Otoh, Jordan made 85' Playoffs or the 89' ECF with nothing - a completely accolade-less cast of rookies

[1987_Lakers]

Firstly, Gervin didn't play in the 86' playoffs

Another lie, he did. MJ couldn't get a single win vs the Celtics despite having HOF Gervin, a 20 ppg scorer Woolridge & All-star Oakley.

LOL

[tontoz]

Another lie, he did. MJ couldn't get a single win vs the Celtics despite having HOF Gervin, a 20 ppg scorer Woolridge & All-star Oakley.

LOL

Gervin played 11 minutes vs the Celtics.

3ball is nuts but MJ was epic vs the Cs that year. He scored 63 in one game against the eventual champs, a playoff scoring record that still stands.

Bird said that '86 team is the best team he ever played on.

[97 bulls]

Gervin played 11 minutes vs the Celtics.

3ball is nuts but MJ was epic vs the Cs that year. He scored 63 in one game against the eventual champs, a playoff scoring record that still stands.

Bird said that '86 team is the best team he ever played on.

Don't let something so trivial as context get in the way. 3ball doesn't.

[1987_Lakers]

Gervin played 11 minutes vs the Celtics.

3ball is nuts but MJ was epic vs the Cs that year. He scored 63 in one game against the eventual champs, a playoff scoring record that still stands.

Bird said that '86 team is the best team he ever played on.

I'm just debating the same way 3ball does.

[sdot_thadon]

I think op should have just named this : my biased opinion on Scottie Pippen and been done with it. Transparency would be more fun guys lol.

[sdot_thadon]

* Pippen:

* Never hit a big shot

Hey bud

[TheGoatest]

Help needed to make Playoffs:

Lebron

* several lottery years to develop into high seed
* high seed
* the East all-star center
* his opponent's sidekick (a 22/5/5 all-defender)
* the future COY
* top defenses


Jordan

* nothing

Lebron had 3 years to develop his team into high seeds before entering the 06' playoffs in a conference that 1-star teams were winning, while Jordan had rookie low seeds in a conference that required a super-team to win

Enough to make the playoffs between 1985 and 1987:

40-42 record
38-44 record
30-52 record

Not enough to make the playoffs in 2005:

42-40 record

Rookie Jordan had a #2 guy who was undisputedly better than any #2 guy LeBron had between 2003 and 2010, and rookie Jordan had a #3 guy who was undisputedly better than any #3 guy LeBron had between 2003 and 2010, yet lost in the first round to a team that went on to get swept in the second round by a team that lost in the conference finals to a team that lost in the finals.

[3ba11]

Enough to make the playoffs between 1985 and 1987:

40-42 record
38-44 record
30-52 record

Not enough to make the playoffs in 2005:

42-40 record

Rookie Jordan had a #2 guy who was undisputedly better than any #2 guy LeBron had between 2003 and 2010, and rookie Jordan had a #3 guy who was undisputedly better than any #3 guy LeBron had between 2003 and 2010, yet lost in the first round to a team that went on to get swept in the second round by a team that lost in the conference finals to a team that lost in the finals.

Lebron barely won 40 games with the East all-star center in 2005 - that's worse than anything Jordan did.

Jordan didn't have any all-stars until 1990, while Lebron had all-stars in 2005, 2009, and many decorated veterans like Jamison, Hughes and Shaq..

So Lebron had better casts in a conference that 1-star teams were winning, while Jordan had low seeds in a conference that required a super-team to win.

[TheGoatest]

Lebron barely won 40 games with the East all-star center in 2005 - that's worse than anything Jordan did.

Jordan didn't have any all-stars until 1990, while Lebron had all-stars in 2005, 2009, and many decorated veterans like Jamison, Hughes and Shaq..

So Lebron had better casts in a conference that 1-star teams were winning, while Jordan had low seeds in a conference that required a super-team to win.

LeBron didn't have any hall-of-famers whatsoever in his first several seasons, Jordan had the luxury of playing with hall-of-famer and 4 x leading scorer George Gervin in his second season. The result? Swept in the first round.

[3ba11]

LeBron didn't have any hall-of-famers whatsoever in his first several seasons, Jordan had the luxury of playing with hall-of-famer and 4 x leading scorer George Gervin in his second season. The result? Swept in the first round.

Gervin didn't play in those playoffs and the Bulls were underdog, while Lebron lost as the favorite with Shaq, who played every game!

[Axe]

Truth: scottie pippen was acquired by the bulls in order to extinguish a 1-9 skidmark that was posted in 1985-87 by their lonely first option bt

Anyone?

[TheGoatest]

Gervin didn't play in those playoffs and the Bulls were underdog, while Lebron lost as the favorite with Shaq, who played every game!

Translation: Playing with Jordan made the 4 x leading scorer and hall of famer George Gervin a bench-warmer and ruined his career.

[97 bulls]

Gervin didn't play in those playoffs and the Bulls were underdog, while Lebron lost as the favorite with Shaq, who played every game!

Gervin did play in the Playoffs in 86.