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  1. #46
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    Default Re: How much longevity would MJ need to get a 1st rd win without Pippen?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoatest View Post
    I clicked on the link.
    Closed it immediately after Jordan extremist narrating the vid said "What happened? Well, Pippen wasn't good".

    By the way, just a WILD guess here: That propaganda video doesn't seek to explain "what happened" in 1986-87 season (last without Pippen), where a 3rd year 24 year-old Jordan finished lower than a team led by rookie 22 year-old Chuck Person.

    You don't need to be a Jordan propogandist to say that Pippen wasn't good in 1999 - it's an objective fact that virtually everyone in that Rockets organization agreed with - they GAVE pippen away to the Blazers for nothing because they wanted him gone so bad.

    The video included all of that so it's too bad you didn't watch.

    And who cares that Jordan lost in 87' with a low seed because Jordan's record with low seeds > Lebron's... Jordan has actually won series with a low seed including an upset of the #1 SRS, while Lebron lost with his only low seed in 21'... Otherwise, he was lucky that his other low seeds missed the playoffs in 04', 05', and 19' - so Lebron never had to carry his worst teams in the playoffs like Jordan and others who carried lottery teams to low playoff seeds

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    Default Re: How much longevity would MJ need to get a 1st rd win without Pippen?

    If five wasnt enough then seven can serve up wonders translating that in seven years then jordone gets a 1RD win

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    Default Re: How much longevity would MJ need to get a 1st rd win without Pippen?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    You don't need to be a Jordan propogandist to say that Pippen wasn't good in 1999 - it's an objective fact that virtually everyone in that Rockets organization agreed with - they GAVE pippen away to the Blazers for nothing because they wanted him gone so bad.

    The video included all of that so it's too bad you didn't watch.

    And who cares that Jordan lost in 87' with a low seed because Jordan's record with low seeds > Lebron's... Jordan has actually won series with a low seed including an upset of the #1 SRS, while Lebron lost with his only low seed in 21'... Otherwise, he was lucky that his other low seeds missed the playoffs in 04', 05', and 19' - so Lebron never had to carry his worst teams in the playoffs like Jordan and others who carried lottery teams to low playoff seeds
    Jordan 0-6 against Larry Bird in playoff games
    Jordan 1-3 against The Pistons in series

    Lebron beat his rivals...Jordan just kinda waited them out.

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    Default Re: How much longevity would MJ need to get a 1st rd win without Pippen?

    Quote Originally Posted by expansionera View Post
    Iím confused, I didnít say he was better than Hakeem
    So was he better than prime Barkley and Malone?
    See you're not as bright as you think you are.

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    Default Re: How much longevity would MJ need to get a 1st rd win without Pippen?

    Quote Originally Posted by ELITEpower23 View Post
    Part of MJ's failures came from his weak longevity. He crumbled while playing without Pippen and in those 5 Pippenless years MJ did...nothing.

    0x Rings
    0x Finals
    0x Conf Finals
    0x Semi Finals
    0x 1st round wins *not a typo
    1x Playoff game win *not a typo

    If MJ had GOAT longevity like LeBron and was playing without Pip, how many more seasons would MJ need to win ONE playoff series? MJ played 13 playoffs, how much longevity does he need to get over 6,000 pts? LBJ did that in 13 playoffs already...
    Guys?

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    Default Re: How much longevity would MJ need to get a 1st rd win without Pippen?

    Probably as long as Lebron to win a Olympic Gold medal without Kobe. Jordan never played with a all-star lineup and did not make the playoffs

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    Default Re: How much longevity would MJ need to get a 1st rd win without Pippen?

    More than 10 years.

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