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    Default Re: On paper, the 17' Warriors demolish the 96' Bulls

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    lol on 8 attempts clownboy. which means they made 3 per gm.
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    Default Re: On paper, the 17' Warriors demolish the 96' Bulls

    Like what 97 Bulls said, the argument was always Bulls on the defensive side. What about GSW defending the Bulls? Can Klay/Steph or Dray clamp MJ? What about Kukoc? Can Coach Kerr draw defensive stops for 3pt Specialist Kerr?

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    Default Re: On paper, the 17' Warriors demolish the 96' Bulls

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    No dummy.. Adjustments are made throughout a series - Jordan guarded Miller most of the series

    Furthermore, MJ/Harper were often not on the floor together... And when they were, Jordan or Kerr was the only guy to guard Best so sometimes Jordan would guard Best.. Otherwise it was Miller all day (Miller pushed of MJ in Game 4 for the historic winner after Pippen's choke).
    Why do you lie like this?

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    Default Re: On paper, the 17' Warriors demolish the 96' Bulls

    with 96 rules the bulls sweep the warriors. with 2017 rules the warriors sweep the bulls

    if the warriors had draymond at center for half the game the bulls would almost have an entire lineup bigger than draymond at times with harper, Jordan, pippen, Rodman and Longley

    curry can barely handle the soft rules of the 2010s and gets frustrated. imagine him in 1996 with this kind of shit being allowed




    its literally a wrestling match. this is why guys shot low percentages in the finals back in the day. the perimeter had guys banging like centers

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    Default Re: On paper, the 17' Warriors demolish the 96' Bulls

    Quote Originally Posted by HunterSThompson View Post
    with 96 rules the bulls sweep the warriors. with 2017 rules the warriors sweep the bulls

    if the warriors had draymond at center for half the game the bulls would almost have an entire lineup bigger than draymond at times with harper, Jordan, pippen, Rodman and Longley

    curry can barely handle the soft rules of the 2010s and gets frustrated. imagine him in 1996 with this kind of shit being allowed




    its literally a wrestling match. this is why guys shot low percentages in the finals back in the day. the perimeter had guys banging like centers
    I agree with the 100%. The Bulls would absolutely murder the Warriors on the boards.

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    Default Re: On paper, the 17' Warriors demolish the 96' Bulls

    Quote Originally Posted by HunterSThompson View Post
    with 96 rules the bulls sweep the warriors. with 2017 rules the warriors sweep the bulls

    if the warriors had draymond at center for half the game the bulls would almost have an entire lineup bigger than draymond at times with harper, Jordan, pippen, Rodman and Longley

    curry can barely handle the soft rules of the 2010s and gets frustrated. imagine him in 1996 with this kind of shit being allowed



    its literally a wrestling match. this is why guys shot low percentages in the finals back in the day. the perimeter had guys banging like centers
    Psshh! Nothing that Lebron can't handle and this is Reed not being allowed to even touch Lebron


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    Default Re: On paper, the 17' Warriors demolish the 96' Bulls

    It's funny because the 96' Bulls get demolished on paper by Lebron's teams too, yet only Lebron's teams complain about "comp" and how opponents were too good

    If your team was expected to win (preseason favorite from 11-16'), then you can't complain about Finals comp because that weaponizes losing and having weaker teams than expected

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    Default Re: On paper, the 17' Warriors demolish the 96' Bulls

    So 3ball admits the Warriors would wipe the floor against MJ.

    Makes LeGOAT's ring even more GOATish.


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    So 3ball admits the Warriors would wipe the floor against MJ.

    Makes LeGOAT's ring even more GOATish.


    Imagine if Pippen destroyed MVP Barkley in the 93' Finals and then Jordan claimed goat by virtue of winning that series.

    Everyone would laugh at Jordan because it would be ridiculous

    Yet that's exactly what Lebron did and everyone is so dumb they can't see it - you weaklings have been brainwashed by Clutch Sports into thinking it isn't an advantage to team-hop around and play with all the best players (Year 1 favorite status) - it's literally the easiest path to a title (Year 1 favorite status).

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    Default Re: On paper, the 17' Warriors demolish the 96' Bulls

    Can you trolls go elsewhere? Grown men are speaking.

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    Default Re: On paper, the 17' Warriors demolish the 96' Bulls

    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsNY View Post
    My theory has to do more with matchups and defense than anything, but that's a separate discussion.



    The reason is the teams are not being compared fairly. The difference is minimal and people are hinging on the 2017 Warriors (as opposed to the 2018 team) due to their insane dominance of winning 67 games and nearly sweeping their way through the playoffs.

    I believe there is a greater context to this given the fact that Kawhi's injury allowed for their playoff record to look a lot better than it actually was. With Kawhi's injury, then the 2018 Rockets appear to be the only solidly competitive team that they faced out of the WC. But let's not forget that SA was a 61 win team and the #1 defense.

    In addition, the Cavs in 2018 were a far more inferior team having lost Kyrie than the 2017 team, where at least they snagged 1 game.

    The injuries of the 2018 team play a factor; here's a spread of the team's numbers from each season:

    GS 2017: 115.9 PPG | 49.5 FG% | 38.3% 3P | 78.8% FTH
    GS 2018: 113.5 PPG | 50.3 FG% | 39.1% 3P | 81.5% FTH

    The numbers are almost identical, with GS actually having better efficiency numbers despite their starting lineup being injured, and Steph (in particular) missing 31 games in the 2018 season.



    If historical trends have shown us anything, then as teams shoot more three pointers, their percentages go up - not down. The league introduced the three point line in 1979-80; by 1983, teams were adjusting and barely shot 23%. By 1993, a decade later, teams were shooting 33%. By 2003, they were shooting nearly 35%. By last season, teams were shooting almost 37%.

    Look at Chicago's numbers based on 3PA in 1996 (irrespective of a shortened line, the trend still remains the same):

    15+ 3PA (52 games): 40.8%
    20+ 3PA (21 games): 42.7%
    25+ 3PA (4 games): 43.3%
    27+ 3PA (2 games) 46.3%

    We're seeing the opposite of what's being claimed here. So why is it a given that if Chicago shoots the ball more, that they would fall off a cliff? Furthermore, you haven't responded to the fact that Houston's 3P% was actually low, and still managed to win games, which is essentially the point. Even if Chicago shoots a lower %, then they still stand a chance to win.



    My point is that if Chicago is at full capacity utilizing 90s rules, then they stand a chance at winning. Obviously they stand no chance if they're unhealthy like they were in the '96 playoffs.



    Look at Houston's lineup's stats in the first 5 games and tell me Chicago is incapable of putting up similar numbers given modern rules:

    Harden: 27/5/5/2/1 on 41/25/91
    Paul: 20/7/5/2/0 on 41/37/75
    Gordon: 18/3/2/1/1 on 40/36/95
    Capela: 10/10/1/0/1 on 70/0/47
    Ariza: 10/3/2/1/0 on 45/29/87
    Tucker: 8/9/2/1/0 on 48/53/67

    Harden put up 27, Paul put up 20, Gordon put up 18...please tell me you don't think a combined 65 points between those guys is something impossible for Chicago to do between Jordan-Pippen-Kukoc (at full capacity).

    Capela grabbed 10 rebounds a game, how many do you think Rodman grabs? Paul averaged 5 assists, as did Harden; how many do you think Jordan and Pippen average?



    You missed my point. I wasn't saying he was utterly horrid or something. My point was that if Kyrie could hold him to 44% shooting, then what about Chicago's perimeter defenders? And let's not get carried away; Steph's 3P% that series was .388%, it wasn't as if he was out there shooting 45%.

    Furthermore, his TS% in every finals he's played in has been great, but he hasn't been great in every finals.
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    Default Re: On paper, the 17' Warriors demolish the 96' Bulls

    One underrated team I think would give the 2017 Warriors problems is the 1986 Rockets.



    I would love to see what Hakeem and Sampson would do to that Warriors team in a playoff series.



    Also for the record, the only way to beat the 2017 Warriors is by having an all-time big on your team such as Wilt and Shaq or an all-time frontline as the 1986 Celtics had.



    A series that is going to be mainly played on the perimeter such as the 1996 Bulls vs the 2017 Warriors massively tips the scales in the Warriors favour.
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    Default Re: On paper, the 17' Warriors demolish the 96' Bulls

    Quote Originally Posted by coastalmarker99 View Post
    One underrated team I think would give the 2017 Warriors problems is the 1986 Rockets.



    I would love to see what Hakeem and Sampson would do to that Warriors team in a playoff series.



    Also for the record, the only way to beat the 2017 Warriors is by having an all-time big on your team such as Wilt and Shaq or an all-time frontline as the 1986 Celtics had.



    A series that is going to be mainly played on the perimeter such as the 1996 Bulls vs the 2017 Warriors massively tips the scales in the Warriors favour.
    Watch 1970 NBA Finals G7 to see the classic example of what happens when a team gets insanely hot at shooting outside 15 feet

    The list of great teams from the 3 point era shows that squads with good chances to beat that particular Warriors squad are just mighty few.
    Using the rules of their own era:
    83 Sixers - would get killed bad
    ‘86 Celtics - they can’t D the Splash Bros
    85 or ‘87 Lakers - They cant D the Splash Bros
    Bad Boy Pistons - I doubt Detroit wins a game.
    91-93 Bulls - good chances
    ‘94-95 Rockets - good chances with Kenny & Sam but Drexler a ?
    96-98 Bulls - too old. maybe. but I doubt it. they cant D the Splash Bros. Even Rodman & Pippen & Jordan can’t cover all that floor with what else they had available in the paint. Kerr cant match that output.
    2001 Lakers - good chances. D Fish, Kobe Horry & Fox very sleek indeed and yet that rim is protected.
    2005-2007 Spurs - has their chances if Parker stays mature which who knows.
    2014 Spurs - too old to cover all that floor every possession every game.
    LBJ Heat Cavs teams - maybe possibly

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    Default Re: On paper, the 17' Warriors demolish the 96' Bulls

    The teams with the best shot at beating the 2017 Warriors imo would be the ‘86 Celtics & ‘01 Lakers. The Celtics could exploit a potentially significant mismatch with the dearth of bigs they could throw at the Dubs, and they could put DJ on Curry in an attempt to at least somewhat slow down or disrupt their offense.

    Meanwhile, the Warriors would have absolutely no answer for peak Shaq, he could get 40/20 against them in his sleep. In addition to Kobe giving them 30 a night, they’d have the personnel to space the floor with Fisher/Fox/Horry as well.
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