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  • Lebron is the worst defensive leader ever, so all his teams "just play bad defense"

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  • Ball-dominant offenses let the defense rest, so they have more capacity to go off offensively

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    Default Why do so many teams "get hot" on Lebron's teams?

    09' Magic, 11' Mavs, 14' Spurs, 17' Warriors, 18' Warriors, 21' Suns, 10' Celtics
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    Default Re: Why do so many teams "get hot" on Lebron's teams?

    The only teams there that "got hot" in a sense that they played better than normal offensively were in 09 Magic and 14 Spurs. And even IF it were true for all seven of those teams (its not), that's still 7/50 playoff series Lebron has been a part of in his career.
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    The only teams there that "got hot" in a sense that they played better than normal offensively were in 09 Magic and 14 Spurs. And even IF it were true for all seven of those teams (its not), that's still 7/50 playoff series Lebron has been a part of in his career.

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    Ive been watching a lot of street ball channels... Chris white type teams where EVERY possesion... is some gleague drop out who relishes in his dribble breakdown 3pt chuck or dunk game... running the offense. There is zero off ball movement or team cohesion. Its literally a your turn my turn hand off.

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    Default Re: Why do so many teams "get hot" on Lebron's teams?

    Lets see how much some of these teams actually "went off"

    2009 Magic
    Regular season: 101 ppg, 109.2 ORTG
    vs. Cavs: 103.7 ppg, 113.3 ORTG

    2010 Celtics
    Regular season: 99.2 ppg, 107.7 ORTG
    vs. Cavs: 100.5 ppg, 108.8 ORTG

    2011 Mavs
    Regular season: 100.2 ppg, 109.7 ORTG
    vs. Heat: 94.7 ppg, 110.7 ORTG

    2014 Spurs
    Regular season: 105.4 ppg, 110.5 ORTG
    vs. Heat: 105.6 ppg, 120.8 ORTG

    2021 Suns
    Regular season: 115.3 ppg, 117.2 ORTG
    vs. Lakers: 104 ppg, 111.9 ORTG

    The Suns were significantly worse across the board, the Mavs had a clear drop off in ppg, and the Celtics had an essentially negligible increase. The only increase in number that truly jumps out to you is the Spurs ORTG, but even they averaged a nearly identical ppg that they did in the regular season.

    Let's take a look at some of OP's favorite players series

    2003 Spurs
    Regular season: 95.8 ppg, 105.6 ORTG
    vs. Lakers: 99.5 ppg, 110.1 ORTG

    2004 Pistons
    Regular season: 90.2 ppg, 102 ORTG
    vs. Lakers: 90.8 ppg, 106.7 ORTG

    2008 Celtics
    Regular season: 100.5 ppg, 110.2 ORTG
    vs. Lakers: 102.2 ppg, 113.3 ORTG

    2011 Mavs
    Regular season: 100.2 ppg, 109.7 ORTG
    vs. Lakers: 102.3 ppg, 116.7 ORTG

    Looks like his teams fall into the same pattern defensively in several series.

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    Default Re: Why do so many teams "get hot" on Lebron's teams?

    2014 Spurs
    Regular season: 105.4 ppg, 110.5 ORTG
    vs. Heat: 105.6 ppg, 120.8 ORTG.
    You can thank one guy for that....indubitably


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    Default Re: Why do so many teams "get hot" on Lebron's teams?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents View Post
    Lets see how much some of these teams actually "went off"

    2009 Magic
    Regular season: 101 ppg, 109.2 ORTG
    vs. Cavs: 103.7 ppg, 113.3 ORTG

    2010 Celtics
    Regular season: 99.2 ppg, 107.7 ORTG
    vs. Cavs: 100.5 ppg, 108.8 ORTG

    2011 Mavs
    Regular season: 100.2 ppg, 109.7 ORTG
    vs. Heat: 94.7 ppg, 110.7 ORTG

    2014 Spurs
    Regular season: 105.4 ppg, 110.5 ORTG
    vs. Heat: 105.6 ppg, 120.8 ORTG

    2021 Suns
    Regular season: 115.3 ppg, 117.2 ORTG
    vs. Lakers: 104 ppg, 111.9 ORTG

    The Suns were significantly worse across the board, the Mavs had a clear drop off in ppg, and the Celtics had an essentially negligible increase. The only increase in number that truly jumps out to you is the Spurs ORTG, but even they averaged a nearly identical ppg that they did in the regular season.

    Let's take a look at some of OP's favorite players series

    2003 Spurs
    Regular season: 95.8 ppg, 105.6 ORTG
    vs. Lakers: 99.5 ppg, 110.1 ORTG

    2004 Pistons
    Regular season: 90.2 ppg, 102 ORTG
    vs. Lakers: 90.8 ppg, 106.7 ORTG

    2008 Celtics
    Regular season: 100.5 ppg, 110.2 ORTG
    vs. Lakers: 102.2 ppg, 113.3 ORTG

    2011 Mavs
    Regular season: 100.2 ppg, 109.7 ORTG
    vs. Lakers: 102.3 ppg, 116.7 ORTG

    Looks like his teams fall into the same pattern defensively in several series.
    Ether...3ball will obfuscate as usual

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    Default Re: Why do so many teams "get hot" on Lebron's teams?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents View Post
    Lets see how much some of these teams actually "went off"

    2009 Magic
    Regular season: 101 ppg, 109.2 ORTG
    vs. Cavs: 103.7 ppg, 113.3 ORTG

    2010 Celtics
    Regular season: 99.2 ppg, 107.7 ORTG
    vs. Cavs: 100.5 ppg, 108.8 ORTG

    2011 Mavs
    Regular season: 100.2 ppg, 109.7 ORTG
    vs. Heat: 94.7 ppg, 110.7 ORTG

    2014 Spurs
    Regular season: 105.4 ppg, 110.5 ORTG
    vs. Heat: 105.6 ppg, 120.8 ORTG

    2021 Suns
    Regular season: 115.3 ppg, 117.2 ORTG
    vs. Lakers: 104 ppg, 111.9 ORTG

    The Suns were significantly worse across the board, the Mavs had a clear drop off in ppg, and the Celtics had an essentially negligible increase. The only increase in number that truly jumps out to you is the Spurs ORTG, but even they averaged a nearly identical ppg that they did in the regular season.

    Let's take a look at some of OP's favorite players series

    2003 Spurs
    Regular season: 95.8 ppg, 105.6 ORTG
    vs. Lakers: 99.5 ppg, 110.1 ORTG

    2004 Pistons
    Regular season: 90.2 ppg, 102 ORTG
    vs. Lakers: 90.8 ppg, 106.7 ORTG

    2008 Celtics
    Regular season: 100.5 ppg, 110.2 ORTG
    vs. Lakers: 102.2 ppg, 113.3 ORTG

    2011 Mavs
    Regular season: 100.2 ppg, 109.7 ORTG
    vs. Lakers: 102.3 ppg, 116.7 ORTG

    Looks like his teams fall into the same pattern defensively in several series.
    I didn’t look into the actual numbers but yea that makes sense. 09 and 14 are the only actual ones

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    Default Re: Why do so many teams "get hot" on Lebron's teams?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    09' Magic, 11' Mavs, 14' Spurs, 17' Warriors, 18' Warriors, 21' Suns, 10' Celtics
    Good stuff!

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    Default Re: Why do so many teams "get hot" on Lebron's teams?

    That game was a disappointment and showed they didn't want to compete until too late.

    Vogel rotations showed he's trying to get fired. He's got a ring in LA. He's still got a great reputation and he's under 50. He's definitely trying to get fired get paid and then find his next great coaching destination.

    Bron and team don't really care. They act like they do but they honestly look like they just wanna compete make the playoffs and lose first round.

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    Default Re: Why do so many teams "get hot" on Lebron's teams?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents View Post

    Lets see how much some of these teams actually "went off"

    2009 Magic
    Regular season: 101 ppg, 109.2 ORTG
    vs. Cavs: 103.7 ppg, 113.3 ORTG

    2010 Celtics
    Regular season: 99.2 ppg, 107.7 ORTG
    vs. Cavs: 100.5 ppg, 108.8 ORTG

    2011 Mavs
    Regular season: 100.2 ppg, 109.7 ORTG
    vs. Heat: 94.7 ppg, 110.7 ORTG

    2014 Spurs
    Regular season: 105.4 ppg, 110.5 ORTG
    vs. Heat: 105.6 ppg, 120.8 ORTG

    2021 Suns
    Regular season: 115.3 ppg, 117.2 ORTG
    vs. Lakers: 104 ppg,
    ppg, 109.7 ORTG
    vs. Lakers: 102.3 ppg, 116.7 ORTG



    Every series you posted showed the opponent with higher ORTG against Lebron's teams than the regular season...

    But it's irrelevant anyway because it's specific to each series - if one team is blowing out another team in a game or series, they might be below their regular season averages but still blowing out the opponent in that particular game or series.

    And why deny basketball 101?.. Why go out of your way to have erroneous knowledge - ball-dominance simply DOES let the defense rest, so they have more capacity to go off offensively... Hoops 101.. learn it

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    Every series you posted showed the opponent with higher ORTG against Lebron's teams than the regular season...

    But it's irrelevant anyway because it's specific to each series - if one team is blowing out another team in a game or series, they might be below their regular season averages but still blowing out the opponent in that particular game or series.

    And why deny basketball 101?.. Why go out of your way to have erroneous knowledge - ball-dominance simply DOES let the defense rest, so they have more capacity to go off offensively... Hoops 101.. learn it
    Since you wanna go the offensive rating route

    2003 Spurs
    Regular season: 105.6
    vs. Lakers: 110.1

    2004 Pistons
    Regular season: 102
    vs. Lakers: 106.7

    2006 Suns
    Regular season: 111.5
    vs. Lakers: 114.2

    2008 Celtics
    Regular season: 110.2
    vs. Lakers: 113.3

    2011 Mavs
    Regular season: 109.7
    vs. Lakers: 116.7

    2012 Thunder
    Regular season: 109.8
    vs. Lakers: 115

    How do you explain all these teams having significant spikes in their offensive rating against the guy you consider a top 2 GOAT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents View Post
    Since you wanna go the offensive rating route

    2003 Spurs
    Regular season: 105.6
    vs. Lakers: 110.1

    2004 Pistons
    Regular season: 102
    vs. Lakers: 106.7

    2006 Suns
    Regular season: 111.5
    vs. Lakers: 114.2

    2008 Celtics
    Regular season: 110.2
    vs. Lakers: 113.3

    2011 Mavs
    Regular season: 109.7
    vs. Lakers: 116.7

    2012 Thunder
    Regular season: 109.8
    vs. Lakers: 115

    How do you explain all these teams having significant spikes in their ORTG against the guy you consider a top 2 GOAT?

    it's specific to each series - if one team is blowing out another team in a game or series, they might be below their regular season averages but still blowing out the opponent in that particular game or series.
    Last edited by 3ba11; 01-20-2022 at 02:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    it's specific to each series - if one team is blowing out another team in a game or series, they might be below their regular season averages but still blowing out the opponent in that particular game or series.
    Well they were certainly blowing them out in the clincher. The Lakers lost by an average of over 25 ppg in the clinching games of those series, with Kobe playing like absolute dogshit in virtually all of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsNY View Post
    Ether...3ball will obfuscate as usual
    Nailed it.

    Not that he's in any way difficult to predict.

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