Was widespread fraud needed to steal the 2016 or 2020 election?

[3ba11]

Trump was victorious because he won 3 states that he wasn't supposed to by a combined 80,000 votes, while Biden did the same thing in 2020 by a combined 46,000 votes.

So if 99.99% of the ballots could be legit and only 80k or 46k needed to be fraudulent, on what planet was widespread fraud needed to steal the election?

When people studied the reasons why Trump won and saw the 80k margin, this set the playbook for 2020 - operatives knew that a few thousand stuffed ballots in 3 states was enough to steal it..

I'm not advocating that either election was stolen - I'm just pointing out that it's ludicrous to think that widespread fraud was needed - the media planted that phrase in our minds and mass formation ensued.

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[oldtimer28]

Trump was victorious because he won 3 states that he wasn't supposed to by a combined 80,000 votes, while Biden did the same thing in 2020 by a combined 46,000 votes.

So if 99.99% of the ballots could be legit and only 80k or 46k needed to be fraudulent, on what planet was widespread fraud needed to steal the election?

When people studied the reasons why Trump won and saw the 80k margin, this set the playbook for 2020 - operatives knew that a few thousand stuffed ballots in 3 states was enough to steal it..

I'm not advocating that either election was stolen - I'm just pointing out that it's ludicrous to think that widespread fraud was needed - the media planted that phrase in our minds and mass formation ensued.

agreed. That democrats suppress even considering the possibility implies they are guilty & immoral

[bladefd]

There has been no evidence provided to claim the elections were fraudulent though. Even 80k votes being proven fraudulent is on the table - do it in those 3 states and we can take things more seriously.

Also, who said the 2016 election was fraudulent? Oh right, that was Trump even though he won. Who said the 2020 election was fraudulent? Oh right, that was Trump too. He is now essentially the boy who cried wolf. He complains about election fraud every election, but never can prove it. There is nothing we can take away from it.

[3ba11]

There has been no evidence provided to claim the elections were fraudulent though. Even 80k votes being proven fraudulent is on the table - do it in those 3 states and we can take things more seriously.

Saying that widespread fraud was needed................

THAT'S the fraud because we see that widespread fraud WASN'T needed- just 46k ballots of dead people was needed

And recounts won't catch this - only an examination of each ballot to make sure there's no dead or fake people voting will catch this small-scale fraud.

Ultimately, there's cameras footage of people carrying boxes into the Wisconsin voting places at 3 am and the voting stopped in the middle of the night due to "computer glitch".. That isn't sufficient evidence, but it's enough to look at every ballot to check for dead people.

Also, who said the 2016 election was fraudulent?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XQesfLIycJw

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=77i_pC3lp04

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oQYVtaNS1kQ


Many many more links .. too many to post them all... But you get the picture.. Both sides cry about fraud but can't catch it because they've mischaracterized it as "widespread"

[Off the Court]

Saying that widespread fraud was needed................

THAT'S the fraud because we see that widespread fraud WASN'T needed- just 46k ballots of dead people was needed

And recounts won't catch this - only an examination of each ballot to make sure there's no dead or fake people voting will catch this small-scale fraud.

That would still be widespread fraud because all of those dead ballots would have to vote the same way and in the exact states needed. In order for Biden to get 40,000 more dead votes than Trump it would require hundreds of thousands of dead voters. This would need to be a coordinated widespread attack and not just random individuals voting with dead ballots which isn't nearly that common.

The Arizona Audit looked at every single ballot, and it only increased Biden's lead by 300 votes. That extremely in depth audit proved the election was legit.

[3ba11]

That would still be widespread fraud because all of those dead ballots would have to vote the same way and in the exact states needed. In order for Biden to get 40,000 more dead votes than Trump it would require hundreds of thousands of dead voters. This would need to be a coordinated widespread attack and not just random individuals voting with dead ballots which isn't nearly that common.

The Arizona Audit looked at every single ballot, and it only increased Biden's lead by 300 votes. That extremely in depth audit proved the election was legit.

Campaigns project how many votes they will win or lose individual counties by, let alone states, so they would estimate how many dead people they need to add to a given state.

No widespread fraud needed - 99.99% of votes are valid and only a few thousand in a few states are fraudulent, as projected by the campaigns

And again recounts are designed to see if something was miscounted, not if there's dead people voting

Carry on the delusion though - everyone on the left said the 2016 election was stolen - I provided the video and you can't even acknowledge that you were wrong on that

[bladefd]

If anyone tried to steal the 2020 election, it was Trump trying to force Georgia to "find" an exact number of votes that would allow Trump to win the state. That's on tape. Do we glaze over that? How about the fact that Trump tried to make the VP throw out certain states at the congress certification? How about pressuring DOJ to take steps to overturn the election? How about individual states? How about the courts? This is all either on tape or in actual writing or testimony/texts. This was pretty clear to anyone with a brain.

Yet we have people still stuck on Democrats stealing the election. Based on what exactly? What is it exactly based on? The fact that mail-in-ballots were counted after the in-person votes? That has been the law in most states for very long time - Republicans could have tried to push change by allowing mail-in-ballot counting to begin earlier. They didn't though. In fact, I recall that Trump preferred that so he could declare victory before the mail-in-ballots are even counted. So what is the alternative? Not count the mail-in votes?

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He was told they would likely lead to violence on January 6th.

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[3ba11]

If anyone tried to steal the 2020 election, it was Trump trying to force Georgia to "find" an exact number of votes that would allow Trump to win the state. That's on tape. Do we glaze over that? How about the fact that Trump tried to make the VP throw out certain states at the congress certification? How about pressuring DOJ to take steps to overturn the election? How about individual states? How about the courts? This is all either on tape or in actual writing or testimony/texts. This was pretty clear to anyone with a brain.

Yet we have people still stuck on Democrats stealing the election. Based on what exactly? What is it exactly based on? The fact that mail-in-ballots were counted after the in-person votes? That has been the law in most states for very long time - Republicans could have tried to push change by allowing mail-in-ballot counting to begin earlier. They didn't though. In fact, I recall that Trump preferred that so he could declare victory before the mail-in-ballots are even counted. So what is the alternative? Not count the mail-in votes?

I personally don't think it was stolen because Biden got more votes than anyone ever has - if this was fraud than it was widespread fraud, which we know didn't happen.

A better explanation for how a fossil like Biden got more votes than anyone ever is the the media abandoned their integrity and ran a 24/7 campaign against Trump - this included a lot of proven lies like "collusion", spying (getting his internet data) and fake dossiers .. That's why people think the election could've been stolen - there was a history of trickery and all the motivation in the world to do it (Trump hatred)... All these elites saw their high school bully become President and it was like they were back in the cafeteria getting their lunch money took all over again - all their hard work to escape that was for nothing.

That's more than enough motivation to send a small, targeted team out to Wisconsin... Another to Georgia... small-scale fraud.. that's all that's needed..

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[ZenMaster]

If anyone tried to steal the 2020 election, it was Trump trying to force Georgia to "find" an exact number of votes that would allow Trump to win the state. That's on tape. Do we glaze over that? How about the fact that Trump tried to make the VP throw out certain states at the congress certification? How about pressuring DOJ to take steps to overturn the election? How about individual states? How about the courts? This is all either on tape or in actual writing or testimony/texts. This was pretty clear to anyone with a brain.

Yet we have people still stuck on Democrats stealing the election. Based on what exactly? What is it exactly based on? The fact that mail-in-ballots were counted after the in-person votes? That has been the law in most states for very long time - Republicans could have tried to push change by allowing mail-in-ballot counting to begin earlier. They didn't though. In fact, I recall that Trump preferred that so he could declare victory before the mail-in-ballots are even counted. So what is the alternative? Not count the mail-in votes?

These guys say they have lots and lots of cellphone data on people picking up ballots at non profit organisations and then delivering them at various drop boxes.
A lot of people on the right claim that this was the reason for Biden getting all the votes he needed.

10 minutes in:

https://rumble.com/v14106u-knowledge-is-power.html

[bladefd]

These guys say they have lots and lots of cellphone data on people picking up ballots at non profit organisations and then delivering them at various drop boxes.
A lot of people on the right claim that this was the reason for Biden getting all the votes he needed.

10 minutes in:

https://rumble.com/v14106u-knowledge-is-power.html

What am I supposed to take away from "people are saying"?

[ZenMaster]

What am I supposed to take away from "people are saying"?

I don't care what you take away from it, it was yourself who asked the question.

Yet we have people still stuck on Democrats stealing the election. Based on what exactly? What is it exactly based on?

It is exactly based on cell phone data, where the allegation is that it shows a group of people in certain states and cities, picking up votes at non profit organisations and stuffing ballot boxes. You're welcome.

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