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Titles are overrated
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Re: Rod Strickland, Harden, and Kyrie make the same play. The one from 1991 is a trav
Another reason why numbers are inflated and easier to score nowadays.
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Decent college freshman
Re: Rod Strickland, Harden, and Kyrie make the same play. The one from 1991 is a trav
Any person with half a brain knows while today has more talent, it also easier than ever to inflate numbers due to rule changes. Undeniable truth
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Titles are overrated
Re: Rod Strickland, Harden, and Kyrie make the same play. The one from 1991 is a trav
Originally Posted by 2much_knowledge
Any person with half a brain knows while today has more talent, it also easier than ever to inflate numbers due to rule changes. Undeniable truth
Its weird to me for the league to both want to push the idea that the players are better but allow them to play an easier game.
Not like Harden, Kyrie, Giannis, and so on can’t destroy you with 2 steps. You look for it you can find them doing amazing previously legal drives. But you give some of these guys the extra step(s) it’s like guarding Barry Sanders
I can see how Wilt had a resentment of a lot of more modern players when he’d say in his day they kept changing the rules to make it harder for him but they change it now to make it easier.
I get that people love offense but when does it end?
Manu, Wade, and others were absolutely destroying guys and mostly having to take 2 steps on moves like this. Wade had people frozen. Manu could two step with a number of variations. It was entertaining. But the people complaining about some violations going uncalled makes them simply lie and call the first step 0 instead of 1 so it’s 0-1-2(legal) not 1-2-3(travel)?
That had to be maybe the laziest fix to a problem ever.
We probably all need to shut up about the unstoppable carry moves too. They used to see it and try to make people like AI and Rod stop with a run of heavy enforcement. We complain too much now they’ll make a “The bottom of the ball is part of the side” rule official. Sounds ludicrous but no more so than calling a step 0 instead of 1.
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NBA Superstar
Re: Rod Strickland, Harden, and Kyrie make the same play. The one from 1991 is a trav
Originally Posted by Kblaze8855
Its weird to me for the league to both want to push the idea that the players are better but allow them to play an easier game.
Not like Harden, Kyrie, Giannis, and so on can’t destroy you with 2 steps. You look for it you can find them doing amazing previously legal drives. But you give some of these guys the extra step(s) it’s like guarding Barry Sanders
I can see how Wilt had a resentment of a lot of more modern players when he’d say in his day they kept changing the rules to make it harder for him but they change it now to make it easier.
I get that people love offense but when does it end?
Manu, Wade, and others were absolutely destroying guys and mostly having to take 2 steps on moves like this. Wade had people frozen. Manu could two step with a number of variations. It was entertaining. But the people complaining about some violations going uncalled makes them simply lie and call the first step 0 instead of 1 so it’s 0-1-2(legal) not 1-2-3(travel)?
That had to be maybe the laziest fix to a problem ever.
We probably all need to shut up about the unstoppable carry moves too. They used to see it and try to make people like AI and Rod stop with a run of heavy enforcement. We complain too much now they’ll make a “The bottom of the ball is part of the side” rule official. Sounds ludicrous but no more so than calling a step 0 instead of 1.
I always say the rule changes in basketball are similar to the ones implemented in football for the DBs and WRs. It's do much more easier for wide receivers to get open today due to the rule changes. And no football fan denies it. Or says players today are better and use stats as an argument. I've only seen this logic with NBA fans. It's weird.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Rod Strickland, Harden, and Kyrie make the same play. The one from 1991 is a trav
Originally Posted by 97 bulls
I always say the rule changes in basketball are similar to the ones implemented in football for the DBs and WRs. It's do much more easier for wide receivers to get open today due to the rule changes. And no football fan denies it. Or says players today are better and use stats as an argument. I've only seen this logic with NBA fans. It's weird.
Somebody here after the super bowl said cooper kupp is the greatest WR of the past 20 years because of his stats. And I was thinking shit... Randy moss and Terrell Owens played in the past 20 years. There s no way cooper kupp was better than Julio Jones or Megatron either. Guys used to get killed going over the middle. So all these fancy plays where you have tall slender WRs running all his midrange action... they would get laid out 20 years ago. Nowadays its a big penalty to "hit a defenseless receiver". So they just made the rules softer for offense which is why we see the stat increase.
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Re: Rod Strickland, Harden, and Kyrie make the same play. The one from 1991 is a trav
Rod Strickland and Tim Hardaway would be absolute nightmares today.
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NBA Superstar
Re: Rod Strickland, Harden, and Kyrie make the same play. The one from 1991 is a trav
Originally Posted by tpols
Somebody here after the super bowl said cooper kupp is the greatest WR of the past 20 years because of his stats. And I was thinking shit... Randy moss and Terrell Owens played in the past 20 years. There s no way cooper kupp was better than Julio Jones or Megatron either. Guys used to get killed going over the middle. So all these fancy plays where you have tall slender WRs running all his midrange action... they would get laid out 20 years ago. Nowadays its a big penalty to "hit a defenseless receiver". So they just made the rules softer for offense which is why we see the stat increase.
Leagues have always taken steps towards offense. That's what fans want to see. The rules for WRs in the NFL, the MLB lowering the pitchers mound to help hitters, or the rule changes in basketball.
What's insane is the blatant willingness to ignore these facts. Over 200 people have viewed this thread. But very few responses. But these same viewers will then go and make a thread or comment in a thread, talking about how much more talented and skilled and athletic the league is today.
I remember Bob Cousey saying that alot of the assists Magic Johnson was credited with wouldn't have been considered an assist in his time. The term inconvient truth has never been more appropriate.
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Titles are overrated
Re: Rod Strickland, Harden, and Kyrie make the same play. The one from 1991 is a trav
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The Magic are a trash
Re: Rod Strickland, Harden, and Kyrie make the same play. The one from 1991 is a trav
Originally Posted by kawhileonard2
Another reason why numbers are inflated and easier to score nowadays.
This. And people act like if you gave any 70s or 80s team some time to adjust they would still get destroyed by today's teams
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NBA lottery pick
Re: Rod Strickland, Harden, and Kyrie make the same play. The one from 1991 is a trav
Originally Posted by kawhileonard2
Another reason why numbers are inflated and easier to score nowadays.
this and illegal screens are the only reasons there are so many "super talented offensive players", product of the clowning that are the current rules.
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Re: Rod Strickland, Harden, and Kyrie make the same play. The one from 1991 is a trav
Originally Posted by Kblaze8855
do you have a problem with it
Yes because the extras carry and travel ability allows today's players to make more athletic-looking plays and dunks... So everyone thinks they're more athletic when it's a function of the extras momentum gleaned from the travel and carries.
We already know that Ben Johnson ran a 9.78 in 1988 and the current record is an abnormal 9.58... so 0.2 seconds isn't making guys get over the rim more than before... But the carries and travels do.. they allow extra momentum heading towards the rim
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XXL
Re: Rod Strickland, Harden, and Kyrie make the same play. The one from 1991 is a trav
Carrying + travelling + illegal screens + no hand-checking + freedom of movement rule
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Titles are overrated
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ISH's Negro Historian
Re: Rod Strickland, Harden, and Kyrie make the same play. The one from 1991 is a trav
They're adapting to how players play the game IMO.
From street ball, AAU ball. All that has an effect to what is called now. When you think of PGs on the early 90s, only a few were like Rod. Timmy, Kenny Anderson and later on AI. I can't remember Payton, Stockton, Terry Porter, Danny Ainge playing like them.
But a few years later you have Marbury, Francis, Jason Williams. If 8 out of 10 PGs are now playing like that instead of 1 out of 10, you have to follow the 8 ...
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