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    Default Re: Unusual pick for the fifth guy but I guess I understand feeling that way.

    The Golden Rule for GOAT shooting is the 50/40/90 club. That's sniper level from all distances.

    According to Wikipedia these are the results:

    '08 Steve Nash
    '09 Steve Nash
    '10 Steve Nash
    '87 Larry Bird
    '88 Larry Bird
    '16 Steph Curry
    '07 Dirk Nowitzki
    '94 Reggie Miller
    '13 Kevin Durant
    '21 Kyrie Irving
    '89 Mark Price
    '19 Malcolm Brogdon (wow... didn't know this. Only non HOF talent)


    So to omit Steve Nash and Larry Bird when they're the only two players ever to have multiple 50/40/90 club seasons? Is a disgrace. Shooting isn't just 3pt shooting. Its all shooting.

    Curry and Miller are the only guys on OPs top 5 list that were even in the 50/40/90 club.

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    I believe Jose Calderon should be in there unless he’s omitted due to volume. I’m not sure what the minimum shots for it would be. Reggie was taking like 13 a game when I did it I’m sure. I remember people saying Korver might do 50/50/90 at one point but I guess he cooled off.

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    Default Re: Unusual pick for the fifth guy but I guess I understand feeling that way.

    curry
    nash
    korver
    reddick

    all in the top 27 in career 3p% ft% ts%

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    15 korver was bananas

    6th highest ts% of all time only behind 7 footers

    he once made 99/100 3s in practice shooting 10 each in 5 different spots then repeating

    curry made 105 3s in a row in practice standing in the same spot

    both are


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    Default Re: Unusual pick for the fifth guy but I guess I understand feeling that way.

    Not a bad list. I guess they won't include guys like JJ or Korver because they're usually like a 4th-5th option.

    Lillard is in there because his range is unreal, perhaps even better than Curry on those shots.

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    nash had 13 seasons shooting in the 40s from 3 (not counting 97 with shortened line)

    korver had 12

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    Default Re: Unusual pick for the fifth guy but I guess I understand feeling that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kblaze8855 View Post
    I’m Really wondering why you keep talking about volume as if Klay played 30 years ago. Coming off two major injuries with associated rust he took more than 9 3 a game this year in only 29 minutes. Three players did take more than that but the least minutes any of them played was 34. And taking that volume he shot His career low which would be a point in Harden favor except his career low is better than hardens career high which is on half those attempts.

    Hes just a ridiculous shooter. He could realistically make like 17 threes at some point and probably will. You call it streaky…I just call it insane. It’s streaky when you are super hot and super cold. Klays cold is everyone else’s cold. Just normal bad nights. Certainly no more off than Harden who has some rarely seen in history terrible nights of shooting at times. He has up and downs like all humans but his up is hitting 8 heat checks in a row while having like 35 in a matter of moments or hitting 12-14 threes strolling into bad looks and shooting like he’s alone in the gym.

    This really is like comparing Kobe to a Peja type. Taking harder shots doesn’t make you a better pure shooter. It helps explain total efficiency gaps of course but “He takes dumb shots” shouldn’t close the kinda gap between ok to good and great to goat and that’s the gap between Harden and a lot of these guys.

    Harden can shoot. He’s a good shooter. He’s just not on the Steph/Reggie/Klay/Ray/Korver/whoever level of “Jesus Christ….” shooting.
    You can't justify Klay in the top 5 when he doesn't even have a single season shooting above 90% from the FT line...

    Klay isn't a better shooter than Irving. He just isn't. Reddick? Again, nope. Durant? Noooo.

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    1 of those 12 years korver was in the 50s setting the single season record at 53.6%


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    Default Re: Unusual pick for the fifth guy but I guess I understand feeling that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasper View Post

    Glen Rice was nice, but even he doesn't belong top 5.

    There are too many guys that belong on the list over Klay though. I don't think he is all that close - especially considering everything that goes into shooting - including FTs.

    Peja at his peak was a similar level of player - and he is a better shooter.

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    you could just look at the top 5 in ft% and call it a day

    curry
    nash
    price
    barry
    stojakovic

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    if you take out rick barry since he shot underhanded from ft for his last 6 years and add the wnba you get

    elena delle donne
    stephen curry
    steve nash
    mark price
    becky hammon


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    Default Re: Unusual pick for the fifth guy but I guess I understand feeling that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by post View Post
    you could just look at the top 5 in ft% and call it a day

    curry
    nash
    price
    barry
    stojakovic
    1. Stephen Curry .9082
    2. Steve Nash* .9043
    3. Mark Price .9039
    4. Peja Stojaković .8948
    5. Chauncey Billups .8940
    6. Ray Allen* .8939
    7. Rick Barry* .8931
    8. Damian Lillard .8927
    9. J.J. Redick .8918
    10. Calvin Murphy* .8916
    11. Scott Skiles .8891
    12. Reggie Miller* .8877
    13. Larry Bird* .8857
    14. Kevin Durant .8841
    15. Bill Sharman* .8831
    https://www.basketball-reference.com...ct_career.html

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    Default Re: Unusual pick for the fifth guy but I guess I understand feeling that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by La Frescobaldi View Post
    1. Stephen Curry .9082
    2. Steve Nash* .9043
    3. Mark Price .9039
    4. Peja Stojaković .8948
    5. Chauncey Billups .8940
    6. Ray Allen* .8939
    7. Rick Barry* .8931
    8. Damian Lillard .8927
    9. J.J. Redick .8918
    10. Calvin Murphy* .8916
    11. Scott Skiles .8891
    12. Reggie Miller* .8877
    13. Larry Bird* .8857
    14. Kevin Durant .8841
    15. Bill Sharman* .8831
    https://www.basketball-reference.com...ct_career.html
    Then if looking at 3pt%

    1. Steve Kerr .4540
    2. Hubert Davis .4409
    3. Seth Curry .4395
    4. Joe Harris .4390
    5. Dražen Petrović* .4374
    6. Desmond Bane .4345
    7. Jason Kapono .4336
    8. Tim Legler .4312
    9. Steve Novak .4301
    10. Kyle Korver .4287
    11. Steve Nash* .4278
    12. Stephen Curry .4276
    13. Luke Kennard .4250
    14. B.J. Armstrong .4249
    15. Wesley Person .4176
    16. Klay Thompson .4168
    17. Anthony Morrow .4166
    18. J.J. Redick .4145
    19. Matt Bonner .4145
    20. Bryn Forbes .4126

    https://www.basketball-reference.com...ct_career.html

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    Default Re: Unusual pick for the fifth guy but I guess I understand feeling that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by La Frescobaldi View Post
    1. Stephen Curry .9082
    2. Steve Nash* .9043
    3. Mark Price .9039
    4. Peja Stojaković .8948
    5. Chauncey Billups .8940
    6. Ray Allen* .8939
    7. Rick Barry* .8931
    8. Damian Lillard .8927
    9. J.J. Redick .8918
    10. Calvin Murphy* .8916
    11. Scott Skiles .8891
    12. Reggie Miller* .8877
    13. Larry Bird* .8857
    14. Kevin Durant .8841
    15. Bill Sharman* .8831
    https://www.basketball-reference.com...ct_career.html
    yeah barry drops a few spots if you count nba and aba stats

    his nba % is higher because his last 6 years were his best when he shot underhand

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