If Wiggins went back to Minnesota, everyone would say he sucks again

[3ba11]

Only Curry's dynasty system and winning spotlight inflates his stature and perception

18 on 45% in the Finals was below Wiggins' career averages, but everyone says he was amazing because he won.

The amazing thing is that Curry can win with secondary scorers at sidekick that get 18 on weak efficiency like Klay (15') or Wiggins (22')..

Ultimately, off-ball experts like Curry/MJ can carry the scoring load with sufficient brand of ball to beat Finals teams, so they can win with secondary scorers at sidekick like Wiggins or Pippen.. Otoh, ball-dominators like Lebron/Luka can't carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat Finals teams, so they need elite 1st options at sidekick like AD, Wade or Kyrie to nearly match them in the Finals.. They lack the brand of ball and elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)

[1987_Lakers]

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[houston]

you on point with this Wiggins stuff. If Leonard,Anthony,Zion,George played this year he wouldn't been all-star.

[Axe]

2022 wiggins > 2000 kobe

[warriorfan]

Only Curry's dynasty system and winning spotlight inflates his stature and perception

18 on 45% in the Finals was below Wiggins' career averages, but everyone says he was amazing because he won.

The amazing thing is that Curry can win with secondary scorers at sidekick that get 18 on weak efficiency like Klay (15') or Wiggins (22')..

Ultimately, off-ball experts like Curry/MJ can carry the scoring load with sufficient brand of ball to beat Finals teams, so they can win with secondary scorers at sidekick like Wiggins or Pippen.. Otoh, ball-dominators like Lebron/Luka can't carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat Finals teams, so they need elite 1st options at sidekick like AD, Wade or Kyrie to nearly match them in the Finals.. They lack the brand of ball and elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)

100 percent. High iq take you won’t see on sports tv or radio.

[Axe]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...yer-in-history

[Lebron23]

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[TheGoatest]

If jordon went back to the Bulls' pre-The Great Scott Pippen days, everyone would point out that he is yet to have a .500 season.

[HoopsNY]

You're not wrong entirely, but a little bit of context does matter. Wiggins showed up in some big spots and came up big defensively. Regardless of the team you play on, that will be recognized any way you look at it. It's something he didn't do well when playing alongside Butler and Towns in Minnesota, despite them being a playoff team. So, there should be some credit given to what he was able to do this postseason.

[Kblaze8855]

Nit everyone thought he sucked to begin with. I remember arguments from people acting like he was literally bad at basketball because fans can’t help but exaggerate are be dramatic.





He then had another 40 literally the next night vs Denver.

People have trouble explaining themselves with anything but extremes. Overpaid and bad aren’t even related but so often people go the “He’s bad at that pay” route as if basketball playing ability and salary are the same thing.

You give a guy like Herro 200 million he’s a bad contract to have relative to what he does on the floor. He’s not bad at basketball. Just like a superstar still on a rookie deal is not GOAT tier. You aren’t your value relative to pay you are only your basketball. Wiggins has never been bad he’s had overly dramatic people and a smattering of stat nerds trying to rewrite what good is to fit a narrative.

Some of those Wiggins topics as recently as 2020 are hilarious and I was in some way before having to explain why he and several others were not actually bad. I think one centered on like…Jeff Malone and Wiggins per and me having to explain that Malone(a multiple time all star) wasn’t bad either.

Theres a few topics with Otto Porter and Wiggins being compared with it said Porter was way way better and had been for years and should be higher paid. Put ‘em on the same team one remains a role player and the other is an all star. Not like only one got the Warriors “magic” to work with.

Wiggins was just underrated by people who let advanced numbers take the place of their eyes for years. He wasn’t some great player in Minnesota but he was always good at basketball off sheer talent and athleticism he’s just not the type people wanna root for. Looked lazy at times. Giant contract. Shaky shot selection. A lot of things people don’t like. But it’s mixed with absurd athleticism and gifts you just don’t teach which people are also often unimpressed by because it raises the standards you find acceptable from them.

If Wiggins were the 19th pick he’d have had considerably less haters because expectation, contract, and relative value factor so much into peoples basketball discussion some people can’t separate them. People go the “Team building” route where they see a top pick and big contract on a non superstar and think “I can’t win a title that way. This guy sucks for what he costs/should be” and throw out that there are 300 people who play worse on a regular basis.

Your usefulness to hypothetical team building at your current contract is one thing. Basketball is another. Wiggins going 75% is better than most giving it their all and and seeing what’s left on the table annoys fans so much they talk up nobodies who can’t be what Wiggins has naturally on their best day.

Theres a reason guys like Wiggins get max contracts. Too talented not to pay just in case they figure it all out.

None of those annoying overpaid “He should be better…” max contract guys are bad at basketball. But feeeeeeelings won’t let some people see past the disappointment to the fact that most guys who max out their potential would still back those letdowns up on the same team because half the letdown is still more than the maxed out nobody.

Emotion really gets the best of a lot of fans.

[3ba11]

Nit everyone thought he sucked to begin with.

He's been the butt of jokes since he came in the league

One of the league's punching bags and low-hanging fruit for the media

Only Curry's dynasty system and winning spotlight inflates his stature and perception

18 on 45% in the Finals was below Wiggins' career averages, but everyone says he was amazing because he won.. This is similar to Pippen where everyone said he sucked when he left Chicago's dynasty system - he was literally nothing just like Wiggins outside of the Warriors.. Actually, Wiggins was still a 18-24 ppg player outside the dynasty system, while Pippen was a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score outside the triangle.

[tpols]

The crazy thing is Klay only averaged 15 ppg in Currys first title in the Finals. I know people bring up the injuries but check this out:

Mozgov 14/8 on 55% shooting
Klay 15/4 on 41% shooting

Klay was literally outplayed by timofey mozgov.

Curry now has two GOAT carry jobs in addition to the KD GOAT dynasty titles.

[Kblaze8855]

Your selective concern over fan and media perception is amusing. The same advanced stat nerds who convinced the gullible that Andrew Wiggins was bad at basketball are the people convincing fans that LeBron is at least top three. You keep up the good fight though.

I gotta get to Costco….

[red1]

he got a ring made the all-star team and came through as the second best player on a championship team, balling in the finals against elite perimeter defenders in smart tatum and brown


he also had the dunk of the year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DwH...nStateWarriors




he officially dodged the bust label. phew. I dont know if we'd have been able to recover from wiggins and anthony bennett both, bennett who's gotta be the single biggest bust in NBA history



the toronto/ontario nba team right now would beat any other city's ball team

[Carbine]

Wiggins outplayed Tatum in the finals. That was the other teams best player in the Finals and Wiggins outplayed him. Not even debatable.

That's something Pippen never did.