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    Default Re: who or what did lebron.OVERCOME or BUILD

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    Nothing

    He formed super-teams to beat the ancient, underdog Celtics and then AD brought him a title out West (lottery before AD)

    Furthermore, two top 10 players were added to the 15' Cavs (Love, Lebron), so they were the 15' and 16' preseason favorites.. Year 1 favorites in 11' and 15' meant that Lebron didn't have to BUILD anything..

    Ultimately, the "comp" argument doesn't work for preseason favorites because that would reward underachieving the expectation..
    Let's see, he had to overcome the Pistons with an insane game 5 to reach his 1st finals.

    Had to overcome Boston in 2011..AND 2012.

    Had to overcome a 3-1 deficit against the single most winningest team of all time.

    Most overlooked? He overcame unprecedented expectations at 18 and surpassed them.

    What did he build? Duh Supa teams! And a legacy that sadly keeps guys Ike you up at night posting about him.

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    Iím starting to get a little concerned about 3ball.

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    Default Re: who or what did lebron.OVERCOME or BUILD

    He OVERCAME your virginity to fucc your mind and BUILT a megacomplex in there.

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    Default Re: who or what did lebron.OVERCOME or BUILD

    He overcame the most turnovers of all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Full Court View Post
    He overcame the most turnovers of all time.
    That doesn't even make sense..

    The real answer is that he overcame 3ball's sanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Full Court View Post
    He overcame the most turnovers of all time.
    And he built a lottery super team.

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    Default Re: who or what did lebron.OVERCOME or BUILD

    He couldn't overcome Dwight Howard, Dirk Nowitzki with HCA nor Carlos Arroyo or Vassilis Spanoulis

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdot_thadon View Post

    he had to overcome the Pistons with an insane game 5 to reach his 1st finals.


    Jordan did that for multi-game stretches against real opposition:


    Games 3-5 of 93' Finals..... 48/10/6



    And nearly for entire series:


    90' Jordan vs Sixers........ 43/7/7
    89' Jordan vs Cavs.......... 40/8/8
    89' Jordan vs Knicks....... 37/8/10


    Lebron couldn't conquer the East with homecourt advantage and the league favorite, so he formed super-teams in a conference that was routinely won by 1-star teams and wide open for the next decade.




    Quote Originally Posted by sdot_thadon View Post

    Had to overcome Boston in 2011..AND 2012.


    Garnett was a 13/7 bum post-injury and the Celtics were an old, 50-win teams, so the Cavs were massive favorites in 2010 - unfortunately, Lebron averaged 21 on 34% for the last 3 games to lose a 2-1 lead and blow it

    he:s the only player in history to lose as the 60-win favorite for 2 straight years.

    He didn't beat the Celtics until Garnett/Allen/Pierce were 34/35/33, while MJ beat actual champions that were 29/27/29 (Isiah/Dumars/Rodman).



    Quote Originally Posted by sdot_thadon View Post

    Had to overcome a 3-1 deficit against the single most winningest team of all time.


    Lebron had the preseason favorite, so that title gets overrated - the on-paper talent was obviously there, so it's Lebron's fault for lacking the brand of ball to maintain favorite status and flirt with 70 wins like his peers (Kawhi, Curry).

    Lebron also had an equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention in the 16' Finals, so he didn't overcome maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load in Finals).. This is much easier than carrying the load yourself and facing maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load in Finals).



    Quote Originally Posted by sdot_thadon View Post

    Most overlooked? He overcame unprecedented expectations at 18 and surpassed them.


    Lebron hand-picked the preseason favorite from 2011-2016 - these Year 1 favorites mean that he didn't build anything or overcome anything -;he was gifted Year 1 favorite status (easiest path possible)

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    Before Lebron came the lakers had their woest 5 year era in history (12th worst of all NBA teams all time) and Lebron gave them a title just like that. It's insane how you could take one of the worst teams in history and hand them a title just like that. Usually guys need years to gel and guys like Durant join already great teams that play together for a long time like the Warriors to win. But Lebron said, lets have a challenge, give me the worst possible team and i'll win with them and he did!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nb1 View Post
    Before Lebron came the lakers had their woest 5 year era in history (12th worst of all NBA teams all time) and Lebron gave them a title just like that. It's insane how you could take one of the worst teams in history and hand them a title just like that. Usually guys need years to gel and guys like Durant join already great teams that play together for a long time like the Warriors to win. But Lebron said, lets have a challenge, give me the worst possible team and i'll win with them and he did!

    Lebron was lottery with Ingram/Kuzma/Ball/Caruso

    That's pathetic and not top 10 caliber

    Then AD arrived and lifted the Lakers from lottery to champion by transforming the defense from worst to first and leading the Lakers in scoring for regular season and playoffs, while also carrying the Lakers to the Finals by dominating Jokic

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8Ball View Post
    One word that Jordan never overcame:


    Dynasties.


    /thread.
    Thread cliffs.

    LeBron overcame dynasties.


    Jordan never did.

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    Thread cliffs.

    8Ball is a remarkably student person.

    The Bulls did not beat any dynasties because they WERE THE DYNASTY.


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    Thread cliffs: MJ had the only stacked deck in the 90’s when that was basically impossible due to expansion

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    Default Re: who or what did lebron.OVERCOME or BUILD

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmyCogTurner View Post
    Thread cliffs.

    8Ball is a remarkably student person.

    The Bulls did not beat any dynasties because they WERE THE DYNASTY.

    Jordan was gifted the most stacked team by Krauss.

    Proof below:

    - Jordan's most dominant year individually was 91 or 93.

    - when the 96 Bulls won 72 games, Jordan didn't even get unanimous MVP voting, in fact he was 4 votes shy.

    - When the 2016 Warriors won 73 games, Curry got unanimous MVP because Curry was more dominant than 96 Jordan individually.


    So we know for a fact winning 72 games had to do with the absolute stackness of Jordan's teammates relative to the competition.

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    Default Re: who or what did lebron.OVERCOME or BUILD

    Bron consistently won everywhere he went. No he didnít win rings every time but he was ALWAYS in the conversation. Rings arenít everything to me. Watch him play. Who has a more versatile game? As a bonus, he has a legacy of addressing issues off the court. Jordan wasnít remotely woke.

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