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    Default Re: who or what did lebron.OVERCOME or BUILD

    Quote Originally Posted by sdot_thadon View Post

    Posted all that trash, but can't provide a game Mj had like that one. Because he never had one. Period.


    Jordan had many superior games that actually built dynasties, while Lebron's Game 5 didn't build anything and was a trainwreck thereafter (08-10' Playoffs and 07' Finals).. His inability to win the East with homecourt caused the "decision" to form super-teams..

    He lacked the teammate development, fits and brand of ball to win organically, so he became a talent-based winner (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy)..



    Quote Originally Posted by sdot_thadon View Post

    00 Pacers- Miller, Davis
    01 Sixers- AI, Ratliff, Mutombo
    02 Nets - Kidd
    03 Nets- Kidd
    04 Pistons- Wallace
    05 Pistons- Wallace
    06 Heat- Wade, Shaq (Pistons send 4 guys)
    07 Cavs- Lebron ( Pistons send 2 guys)
    08 Celtics- Kg, Allen, Pierce (Pistons send 3 guys)
    09 Magic - Dwight, Lewis, Nelson
    10 Celtics- Kg, Rondo, Pierce

    Allstars on each team that won the East in the 2000s.

    Mostly one star teams right? Stop the Cap.

    In 2005 and 2009, the Cavs were 1-star teams despite having 2 all-stars.

    Similarly, Rashard Lewis wasn't a "star", while Jameer Nelson was hurt for the 09' Playoffs - the Magic had the injury excuse but still won.. lol

    They won as historic underdogs (1 of the 5 biggest Vegas upsets in NBA history).

    So the 09' Magic were a 1-star team just like the Kidd Nets and 07' Cavs - that's 4 years of 1-star teams and the Iverson carry-job is universally-recognized as a 1-star team (STOP it)...

    So that's 5 of 9 years from 01-09' that the East was won by 1-star teams (the majority)... it's the only conference in history that was won by multiple, different 1-star teams, yet that's the conference that Lebron formed super-teams in.
    Last edited by 3ba11; 08-13-2022 at 07:59 PM.

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    Default Re: who or what did lebron.OVERCOME or BUILD

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    Nothing

    He formed super-teams to beat the ancient, underdog Celtics and then AD brought him a title out West (lottery before AD)

    Furthermore, two top 10 players were added to the 15' Cavs (Love, Lebron), so they were the 15' and 16' preseason favorites.. Year 1 favorites in 11' and 15' meant that Lebron didn't have to BUILD anything..

    Ultimately, the "comp" argument doesn't work for preseason favorites because that would reward underachieving the expectation..
    Bron overcame the entire league's obsession with stopping him. That defense that Thibs made famous on the Celtics - it was created to stop LeBron. Thibs brought it to the Bulls, to stop LeBron.

    Every NBA team copied that defense in some way and today NBA defenses have become experts at stopping one player using those principles because of LeBron.

    To 2.9 - to stop LeBron.
    Shrink the floor - to stop LeBron.

    When a player goes to the finals 8 consecutive times that means he has a giant target on his back with every team in his conference focused on devising ways to defeat him and the Eastern conference never figured it out.

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    Default Re: who or what did lebron.OVERCOME or BUILD

    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Jordan's father was killed due to his gambling habits.
    It’s actually quite amusing that people still spew this and expect people to believe it as fact.

    Michael Jordan’s dad was robbed and killed while he parked his sports car on the side of the road to sleep.-those are actual proven facts that we KNOW.

    Conspiracy theorists at the time claimed Michael Jordan had a gambling debt and his father was killed because of it. If you believe that, with absolutely not a single shred of evidence, you are retarded.

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    Default Re: who or what did lebron.OVERCOME or BUILD

    Quote Originally Posted by light View Post
    Bron overcame the entire league's obsession with stopping him. That defense that Thibs made famous on the Celtics - it was created to stop LeBron. Thibs brought it to the Bulls, to stop LeBron.

    Every NBA team copied that defense in some way and today NBA defenses have become experts at stopping one player using those principles because of LeBron.

    To 2.9 - to stop LeBron.
    Shrink the floor - to stop LeBron.

    When a player goes to the finals 8 consecutive times that means he has a giant target on his back with every team in his conference focused on devising ways to defeat him and the Eastern conference never figured it out.

    You can't "overcome" anything if you already have the preseason favorite - he hand-picked the preseason favorite from 11-16' (super-teams) yet you think he "overcame" Rose's 1-star Bulls?

    And Bosh outplayed Lebron against Chicago - he saved Lebron..

    Lebron was a 1-trick pony and just another career-losing ball-dominator like Luka until the "decision" to stack the deck..

    People forget that Dwight won the East with a 1-star team in 09' and Lebron had a 62-win, 1 seed in the 10' East.. aka 1-star teams were clearly enough to win the East, so Lebron's super-teams were massive overkill
    Last edited by 3ba11; 08-13-2022 at 09:34 PM.

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