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    He would've averaged 27/8/9 and had an easier load than his 34/6/6 playoff averages

    This idea that Jordan had to average 34 and therefore it was good that he had no scoring help or a weak-scoring sidekick is absurd and really dumb

    People are literally saying that Jordan somehow had MORE help by having no scoring help.. it makes no sense

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    A go to player like Orlando Woolridge?

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    How many Scoring titles did George Gervin manage...and how did they get along with MJ. Jerry Stackhouse averages 29 PPG before toxic Jordan got his claws into him.

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    Making Jordan average 4-5 more points than everyone in playoff history doesn't make Pippen good - it makes him bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    He would've averaged 27/8/9 and had an easier load than his 34/6/6 playoff averages

    This idea that Jordan had to average 34 and therefore it was good that he had no scoring help or a weak-scoring sidekick is absurd and really dumb

    People are literally saying that Jordan somehow had MORE help by having no scoring help.. it makes no sense
    You don't understand Jordan at all. He wanted to score 30-32-34 points for no other reason besides vanity. He would not have tolerated any teammate taking that away from him and would've had them traded. He would not even tolerate a coach taking that away from him. Even when it was explained to him that the triangle was intended to get him to score less he still found a way to keep scoring 30, and described to Phil Jackson how - "all I need to do is score 8 points a quarter to keep winning the scoring title, nobody else in the league is going to do that" - the points alone being that important to him, even over winning. It was a constant obstacle for his coaching staffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by light View Post
    You don't understand Jordan at all. He wanted to score 30-32-34 points for no other reason besides vanity. He would not have tolerated any teammate taking that away from him and would've had them traded. He would not even tolerate a coach taking that away from him. Even when it was explained to him that the triangle was intended to get him to score less he still found a way to keep scoring 30, and described to Phil Jackson how - "all I need to do is score 8 points a quarter to keep winning the scoring title, nobody else in the league is going to do that" - the points alone being that important to him, even over winning. It was a constant obstacle for his coaching staffs.

    Jordan wouldn't trade Kareem, Shaq, or McHale, etc - that's absurd - he wants to win and win every year

    And the point is that Pippen isn't GOOD for making Jordan average 5 more points than everyone in playoff history..

    That's the opposite of a perfect sidekick - the sidekick is the 2nd SCORING option - they're supposed to score and not make the 1st option dominate more than anyone ever has, or face maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load)

    And your thinking is misguided - when Pippen achieved his peak combination of ppg and apg in 1992 (21.0 and 7.0), Jordan still had to average 36 in the Finals to win.. So everyone was at capacity, which means that Jordan averaged 36 because he had little or no scoring help..

    And Phil didn't think MJ would be scoring champ because the triangle didn't let players dribble - so Phil simply underestimated Jordan, which was standard for Phil - Phil didn't think Jordan could three-peat once, let alone twice, and he didn't think Jordan could be scoring champ in the triangle.. wrong, wrong, and wrong again.. GOAT gonna GOAT
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    Making Jordan average 4-5 more points than everyone in playoff history doesn't make Pippen good - it makes him bad
    3 reply’s and we shut this shit down

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    Jordan wouldn't trade Kareem, Shaq, or McHale, etc - that's absurd - he wants to win and win every year

    And the point is that Pippen isn't GOOD for making Jordan average 5 more points than everyone in playoff history..

    That's the opposite of a perfect sidekick - the sidekick is the 2nd SCORING option - they're supposed to score and not make the 1st option dominate more than anyone ever has, or face maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load)

    And your thinking is misguided - when Pippen achieved his peak combination of ppg and apg in 1992 (21.0 and 7.0), Jordan still had to average 36 in the Finals to win.. So everyone was at capacity, which means that Jordan averaged 36 because he had little or no scoring help..

    And Phil didn't think MJ would be scoring champ because the triangle didn't let players dribble - so Phil simply underestimated Jordan, which was standard for Phil - Phil didn't think Jordan could three-peat once, let alone twice, and he didn't think Jordan could be scoring champ in the triangle.. wrong, wrong, and wrong again.. GOAT gonna GOAT
    Lol. You were literally shown Jordan's own words as to why he scored over 30. HE WANTED TO. The Bulls were just talented enough to overcome his own vanity. You're a troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by light View Post
    You don't understand Jordan at all. He wanted to score 30-32-34 points for no other reason besides vanity. He would not have tolerated any teammate taking that away from him and would've had them traded. He would not even tolerate a coach taking that away from him. Even when it was explained to him that the triangle was intended to get him to score less he still found a way to keep scoring 30, and described to Phil Jackson how - "all I need to do is score 8 points a quarter to keep winning the scoring title, nobody else in the league is going to do that" - the points alone being that important to him, even over winning. It was a constant obstacle for his coaching staffs.
    Great post. Jordan is literally saying why he scored 30 a night. And it had nothing to do with his teammates.

    I remember an interview where he said he wanted to show that he could prove a guard could lead the league in scoring while winning a championship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 97 bulls View Post
    Lol. You were literally shown Jordan's own words as to why he scored over 30. HE WANTED TO. The Bulls were just talented enough to overcome his own vanity. You're a troll.

    Every player in history tracks their stats especially Lebron.

    They don't do it for vanity - they do it because they're professionals that need to keep track for a variety of strategic reasons- it's like a professional poker player being aware of his stack size.. But you're obviously a bum fish that plays without knowing your stack ratios and strategic implications.. you think like an AMATEUR

    If Jordan averages 25 alongside Pippen, the Bulls lose nearly every series - they wouldn't win shit

    Jordan knew that his team needed about 32 ppg out of him, so he made sure that he provided it.. Many times the team needed 40 and he would figure out how to provide it.

    If Lebron or other guys could dominate and average 32 - they would... But only Jordan could, so the GM didn't have to surround him with as much help
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    Every player in history tracks their stats especially Lebron.

    They don't do it for vanity - they do it because they're professionals that need to keep track for a variety of strategic reasons- it's like a professional poker player being aware of his stack size.. But you're obviously a bum fish that plays without knowing your stack ratios and strategic implications.. you think like an AMATEUR

    If Jordan averages 25 alongside Pippen, the Bulls lose nearly every series - they wouldn't win shit

    Jordan knew that his team needed about 32 ppg out of him, so he made sure that he provided it.. Many times the team needed 40 and he would figure out how to provide it.

    If Lebron or other guys could dominate and average 32 - they would... But only Jordan could, so the GM didn't have to surround him with as much help
    Bro. Jordan said that all he needed to do was to score 8 a quarter to get the scoring title. His scoring 30 had nothing to do with the Bulls winning. And 94 proves that. They obviously didn't need Jordan to score 30 a night. Give the Bulls a guy that's capable of scoring an efficient 20-25 ppg with good defense, and they still win the championship.

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    Default Re: If MJ had a go-to teammate that could dominate, he would've scored less (easier l

    Quote Originally Posted by 97 bulls View Post
    Great post. Jordan is literally saying why he scored 30 a night. And it had nothing to do with his teammates.

    I remember an interview where he said he wanted to show that he could prove a guard could lead the league in scoring while winning a championship.
    This is facts as far as I know.he wanted to win while leading the league in scoring.

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    Here's an article where Carmello Anthony said Jordan told him the same thing. His scoring prowess has nothing to do with winning. He WANTED to win the scoring title.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/thespor...-season/%3famp

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    Ehh he wanted to win but while winning the scoring title .nothing wrong with forging your own path.
    Your making it out more then it is.imo

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