The US blew up Russia's pipeline.

[Overdrive]

Your post was exactly about changing the thread from being about the US having done something fkucked up to being about Russia.
And this is not a court of law, but a discussion board.
Is it your "evidence" that the US did not force Russia, because Russia has been to war before?

Anyways, here's Joe Biden saying that the pipeline will be shut down and being pretty quite coy as for how that would happen:



He's been serious about all other things he said they would do against Russia, why should I think differently about this?
Or you're saying that Putin might have done Biden's bidding for him and blown it up himself?
Gas isn't Putin's biggest leverage, but what does that have to do with incentive for him to blow up his own expensive pipeline?

I didn't change the topic, because the two countries suspected and capable are the US and Russia. How is it a change of topic if I say at this point hitting NS wouldn't be of much use for the US. How is that a change of topic when the topic is about the US sabotaging NS?

How is it a change of topic when the OP says Russia was provoked into a war by the US when Russia has a track record of unprovoked wars? When Putin is on record to deny statehood for Ukraine, large parts of Georgia etc.

It's not Putin's expensive pipeline. It's Germany's. Why would he do it? With the looming threat of Russia in the baltic sea he's binding skandinavic and german miltary in that place.

[Axe]

Apparently russia has ran out of kirov airships as we speak.

[Rolando]

So, I guess it would be a good idea to catch everybody up on what’s happened in Ukraine since the US engineered a coup of their government in 2014. ( https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/0...up-in-ukraine/ )

The US has worked for many years to set this all up. They helped overthrow the democratically elected government in 2014 and set up a very right-wing government which has Nazi elements involved in it. This government was not neutral on the question of joining NATO. It was very pro joining NATO.

When this all happened, the Russian speaking Ukrainians who generally live in the Donbas region decided they were not on board with the new government. So they started fighting against the new government.

Then came the Minsk Agreements. This negotiated a cease fire. The government forces would withdraw, and the region would be given more autonomy. They could have their own elections….. But none of this happened. The Ukrainian government kept bombing the crap out of the Donbas Region for another 8 years. Again, these people are Russian by ethnicity.

1 in 6 Ukrainians are ethnic Russians. 1 in 3 Ukrainians speak Russian as their primary language.

When you have such a divided country, it would be a good idea to remain neutral. The Ukrainians simple could have stayed neutral and avoided this whole war.

However, that’s not an acceptable situation for the US. They have pressured the very conservative / Nazi government to join NATO. The US also financed the continued violence against ethnic Russians within Ukraine.

Putin had warned many years ago that Ukraine joining NATO would be unacceptable. For NATO to set up in Ukraine would be like Russia setting up a strategic partner in Mexico. It is a complete no-go.

1. The slaughter of ethnic Russians has been going on for 8 years in the Donbas.
2. The Ukrainian government wants to Join NATO.
3. NATO and the US has been training Ukrainian forces for many years now.

This is why the Russians have invaded the Donbass in Ukraine. After so many years of pressure to do something for their people there and also the massive threat of Ukraine joining NATO left them no choice but to act.

Sanctions allowed the US to close the dreaded Russian pipeline so that Europe has to turn to other, western companies for energy. This conflict allows American arms producers to profit greatly. The US taxpayers are basically paying the salaries of the Ukrainian army at this point. Taxpayer money is being used to buy all the arms. (The money goes directly to arms manufacturers.)

TLDR: Wealthy people in the States don’t like the wealthy people in Russia. Poor people will fight this conflict for both sides.

[bladefd]

Nobody knows for sure who sabotaged the pipeline, and I don't know if we will. If it's a high-level military sabotage, they probably took precautions to hide their tracks. If there is a report, it would be classified I don't know if there is going to be an investigation, who would fund, and what they would find.

[TheMan]

So, I guess it would be a good idea to catch everybody up on what’s happened in Ukraine since the US engineered a coup of their government in 2014. ( https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/0...up-in-ukraine/ )

The US has worked for many years to set this all up. They helped overthrow the democratically elected government in 2014 and set up a very right-wing government which has Nazi elements involved in it. This government was not neutral on the question of joining NATO. It was very pro joining NATO.

When this all happened, the Russian speaking Ukrainians who generally live in the Donbas region decided they were not on board with the new government. So they started fighting against the new government.

Then came the Minsk Agreements. This negotiated a cease fire. The government forces would withdraw, and the region would be given more autonomy. They could have their own elections….. But none of this happened. The Ukrainian government kept bombing the crap out of the Donbas Region for another 8 years. Again, these people are Russian by ethnicity.

1 in 6 Ukrainians are ethnic Russians. 1 in 3 Ukrainians speak Russian as their primary language.

When you have such a divided country, it would be a good idea to remain neutral. The Ukrainians simple could have stayed neutral and avoided this whole war.

However, that’s not an acceptable situation for the US. They have pressured the very conservative / Nazi government to join NATO. The US also financed the continued violence against ethnic Russians within Ukraine.

Putin had warned many years ago that Ukraine joining NATO would be unacceptable. For NATO to set up in Ukraine would be like Russia setting up a strategic partner in Mexico. It is a complete no-go.

1. The slaughter of ethnic Russians has been going on for 8 years in the Donbas.
2. The Ukrainian government wants to Join NATO.
3. NATO and the US has been training Ukrainian forces for many years now.

This is why the Russians have invaded the Donbass in Ukraine. After so many years of pressure to do something for their people there and also the massive threat of Ukraine joining NATO left them no choice but to act.

Sanctions allowed the US to close the dreaded Russian pipeline so that Europe has to turn to other, western companies for energy. This conflict allows American arms producers to profit greatly. The US taxpayers are basically paying the salaries of the Ukrainian army at this point. Taxpayer money is being used to buy all the arms. (The money goes directly to arms manufacturers.)

TLDR: Wealthy people in the States don’t like the wealthy people in Russia. Poor people will fight this conflict for both sides.

Interesting...just one question. Are you by any chance Russian?

[bladefd]

Interesting...just one question. Are you by any chance Russian?

Or possibly spending too much time on some 4chan Russian propaganda board.

[Axe]

Or possibly spending too much time on some 4chan Russian propaganda board.

[Rolando]

Ha ha ha.....Nope.

American here.

Just pointing out the obvious. I also am ahead of the media. Let's see what the official story is. Somehow, the powers-that-be have to convince us that Russia blew up its own pipeline which it has spent billions building. This also took a looooooong time to build. These explosions may make it PERMANENTLY unusable.

So you can consider me a bit skeptical.

Until I get a convincing alternative, the US is the main suspect. Nothing else makes sense. As soon as the European citizens realize what has been done to them. They just might be quite upset with the good ole USA.

[SATAN]

I watched Putin's annexation ceremony speech. Dude talks well but it's clear he wants the West crippled. Dude was literally talking about trans, the Anti-Christ while pretending "Russia" is morally superior and must do what's necessary. I can see how a certain brand of conservatives fall for his shit.

[jstern]

Ha ha ha.....Nope.

American here.

Just pointing out the obvious. I also am ahead of the media. Let's see what the official story is. Somehow, the powers-that-be have to convince us that Russia blew up its own pipeline which it has spent billions building. This also took a looooooong time to build. These explosions may make it PERMANENTLY unusable.

So you can consider me a bit skeptical.

Until I get a convincing alternative, the US is the main suspect. Nothing else makes sense. As soon as the European citizens realize what has been done to them. They just might be quite upset with the good ole USA.

I've been following the Nord Stream 2 saga for many months. The sanctions, Russia using it as leverage, German freezing and the German government telling their citizens that THEY have to sacrifice (not them) for Ukraine, German's citizens cutting wood. And I had such little motivation to create a thread about it because immediately CNN, MSNBC came out with the narrative that it was Russia. A narrative that made no sense. It's like cutting your nose off. And two, how would they even know, be so sure. And then immediately after you had the usual suspects repeating it. Like even if by luck it was somehow Russia, the propaganda is so obvious, and the usual suspects eat it up completely. It's always going to be that way.

[Patrick Chewing]

I watched Putin's annexation ceremony speech. Dude talks well but it's clear he wants the West crippled. Dude was literally talking about trans, the Anti-Christ while pretending "Russia" is morally superior and must do what's necessary. I can see how a certain brand of conservatives fall for his shit.

He was talking about how Satan the devil is in the United States right now because we're committing so many resources on mutilating and exploiting children through trans ideology. He is right.

[SATAN]

He was talking about how Satan the devil is in the United States right now because we're committing so many resources on mutilating and exploiting children through trans ideology. He is right.

He's saying it hoping people like you will hear it and cause further division imo. You don't start shit with a foreign country over something like that unless you really are an unhinged religious nutjob (imo). You could blame Satan for what China is doing to minorities also. Or any other ****ed up/weird thing happening in the world.

[ZenMaster]

Interesting...just one question. Are you by any chance Russian?

I know a Ukrainian woman who explains events from 2014 and up until the war basically the same as Rolando, says she lost her patriotism towards Ukraine when her birth region was bombed by their own government back then.
I guess she just spent too much time on 4chan as well

I didn't change the topic, because the two countries suspected and capable are the US and Russia. How is it a change of topic if I say at this point hitting NS wouldn't be of much use for the US. How is that a change of topic when the topic is about the US sabotaging NS?

You didn't say anything about that, all you said was that Russia has been to war before without being baited into it, so they could not have been baited this time.

[Jasper]

Jasper, are you drunk?

Poopsie - if I was hammered to the gills I would have more logic than you when you are sober...

[Jasper]

I've been following the Nord Stream 2 saga for many months. The sanctions, Russia using it as leverage, German freezing and the German government telling their citizens that THEY have to sacrifice (not them) for Ukraine, German's citizens cutting wood. And I had such little motivation to create a thread about it because immediately CNN, MSNBC came out with the narrative that it was Russia. A narrative that made no sense. It's like cutting your nose off. And two, how would they even know, be so sure. And then immediately after you had the usual suspects repeating it. Like even if by luck it was somehow Russia, the propaganda is so obvious, and the usual suspects eat it up completely. It's always going to be that way.

Surprised Jstern followed anything other than poopsie on ISH ....lmfao