Lebron is 20-21 in 41 Finals games with super-teams (excluding 07', 15', 18')

[3ba11]

So his skillset has a lottery record on the championship level (low team ceilings) regardless of cast

It's clear that "heliocentric" ball-dominance and low assist teams are an inferior skillset and methodology, respectively

By imposing spot-up roles that stall young players, the heliocentric skillset lacks the teammate development, fits or brand of ball to win organically and must resort to talent-based winning (team-hopping... all-star team strategy)..

[red1]

blah blah blah superteams

look who he was playing and look at all of the injuries his teammates had. his second and third option went down in a series against a 67 win team.


still ended up with 4 finals MVPs so it all worked out. : )



pippen's bulls won 55 games without baldan. stacked team.


the best team baldan beat was the jazz. with a 55-win team. not impressive.

[TheMan]

Yep, no my GOAT.

Bran Stans complain MJ played on super teams (he didn't) but for arguments sake let's accept this argument, well MJ never even let a Finals go 7 games OTOH, Bran with super teams is still sub .500...embarrassing

[1987_Lakers]

Jordan went 1-9

[3ba11]

Jordan went 1-9 When nearly everyone else was lottery like Lebron, Durant, Curry and Giannis

Fixed

So if the primary knock that you have for Jordan's career is that he lost when everyone else lost - then you have nothing and he had the perfect career

[TheMan]

blah blah blah superteams

look who he was playing and look at all of the injuries his teammates had. his second and third option went down in a series against a 67 win team.


still ended up with 4 finals MVPs so it all worked out. : )



pippen's bulls won 55 games without baldan. stacked team.


the best team baldan beat was the jazz. with a 55-win team. not impressive.

So the 94 Bulls winning 55 games means it's a stacked team but the Jazz winning 55 is not impressive? Wut lol

BTW, the Suns were 62-20, so right off the top of my head I knew the Jazz weren't record wise the best team the Bulls faced in the Finals

[red1]

So the 94 Bulls winning 55 games means it's a stacked team but the Jazz winning 55 is not impressive? Wut lol

BTW, the Suns were 62-20, so right off the top of my head I knew the Jazz weren't record wise the best team the Bulls faced in the Finals

exactly.


all of your superteam complaints are foolish when you consider none of those so called superteams could win 55-games.



why would jordan ever "teamhop" or "collude" when his own team was that good without him.

[3ba11]

So the 94 Bulls winning 55 games means it's a stacked team but the Jazz winning 55 is not impressive? Wut,, lol

Not all 55 win-teams are the same

Some are championship-contending every year, while others are 2nd Round losers at their PEAK (with everything going for them as 3-peat champs) and otherwise borderline lottery in 95'

TLDR: some 55-win teams are dynasties and some are basically bad teams and 1-hit wonders

[red1]

meanwhile getting ganged up 4 v 1 with scrubs like boobie gibson as the second best option. could've used a pippen and a horace grant here.

[red1]

Not all 55 win-teams are the same

Some are championship-contending every year, while others are 2nd Round losers at their PEAK (with everything going for them as 3-peat champs) and otherwise borderline lottery in 95'

TLDR: some 55-win teams are dynasties and some are basically bad teams and 1-hit wonders

game 7 eastern conference semis.



plus 55-wins.












stacked.

[Spurs m8]

Fringe top 10 without the manufacturing, prisoners of the moment and weird grown men that worship him to fill a void in their own miserable lives

[3ba11]

game 7 eastern conference semis.



plus 55-wins.












stacked.

The Heat were injured in 15' but nearly made 16' ECF just like 94' Bulls


Playoffs

16' WADE'...... 22.3 PER.. 4.9 bpm.. 0.148 ws/48.. 0.8 vorp.. 22/6/4 on 47%
94' PIPPEN.... 22.8 PER.. 5.6 bpm.. 0.149 ws/48.. 0.7 vorp.. 23/8/6 on 43%


^^™ the difference is that Wade was building the Heat like a real 1st option does (lottery to nearly the ECF), while Pippen drove the Bulls downward and was borderline lottery in 95' before MJ restored 3-peat caliber

[TheMan]

meanwhile getting ganged up 4 v 1 with scrubs like boobie gibson as the second best option. could've used a pippen and a horace grant here.

You should be a lawyer bro, seriously. You wanna claim LeBron was always outgunned when LeGM practically chose his teammates from 2011 onward, yet still has a losing record Playing with perrenial All Stars Wade, Bosh, Allen, Irving, Love, AD, Westbrook, DHoward, Anthony and solid role players but still losing more often times than not. Maybe if LeBron can get Curry, Giannis, KD, Luka, Jokic, Booker, Embiid and Butler to play with him can we stop with the outgunned narrative you Bronies love to push??? Would that finally be enough??? Moar halp!!!

Pa
The
Tic

[GrayGoat]

LeBron went to most of his finals without a super team

[SouBeachTalents]

You should be a lawyer bro, seriously. You wanna claim LeBron was always outgunned when LeGM practically chose his teammates from 2011 onward, yet still has a losing record Playing with perrenial All Stars Wade, Bosh, Allen, Irving, Love, AD, Westbrook, DHoward, Anthony and solid role players but still losing more often times than not. Maybe if LeBron can get Curry, Giannis, KD, Luka, Jokic, Booker, Embiid and Butler to play with him can we stop with the outgunned narrative you Bronies love to push???

Pa
The
Tic

Genuinely curious, which series (besides the obv 2011) do you think LeBron lost with the better team?