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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    Here's the context - Houston hated Pippen:








    So they traded the 6-time champion for nothing asap

    Pippen was the only 90's sidekick that wasn't a "1b" that could get elite stats and dominate.. Since he had the lowest peak capability (transition/hustle player), he wasn't on the scouting report and made MJ defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load).
    That context only goes against your statement. Keep up here bud.

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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    . Yeah, it counts. You don't have to like it, but Duncan is factually a 5x champion. And we all know if Jordan had won that year you would never in a million years say that shit

    Its such a stupid claim. People thinking their opinion on what “counts” matters. Like anyone is checking for some internet trolls personal record book. Reality doesn’t care what anyone thinks and everything that ever happened counted regardless.

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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    Quote Originally Posted by hateraid View Post
    That context only goes against your statement. Keep up here bud.

    It says that they tried to make the 33-year-old Pippen a higher option, but he simply wasn't anywhere near 36-year fossils Barkley and Hakeem, who were SEVERAL YEARS past their prime

    Btw, that excerpt was part of an article describing how much Houston literally hated Pippen and traded him asap for nothing

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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    This was a good topic really drove conversations from different stans. I do think itís Duncan but tbf he also didnít have high end competition from stacked teams most of the 00s besides 03. Lot of 2 star teams and the pistons. Klay and dray arenít the biggest all time greats but itís a fact they were very good in 2015 and all were all nba lvl in 16.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NBAGOAT View Post
    This was a good topic really drove conversations from different stans. I do think it’s Duncan but tbf he also didn’t have high end competition from stacked teams most of the 00s besides 03. Lot of 2 star teams and the pistons. Klay and dray aren’t the biggest all time greats but it’s a fact they were very good in 2015 and all were all nba lvl in 16.
    They won like 5 playoff games without Curry in 2016, and not just won, they were legit blowing teams out Klay & Dray were putting up elite production in those games, and went on to have all-time great performances against OKC in Game 6 and against Cleveland in Game 7.

    The worst way people evaluate players is judging them solely on their all-time status. All that matters is how well they played at the time. So sure, Klay & Dray very likely won't even make the top 100 list when it gets released, but they were legit top 15-20 players at their peaks. Ditto Gasol, who was the best 2nd option in the league in '09 & '10 and a top 10-15 player.

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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    Here's the context - Houston hated Pippen:








    So they traded the 6-time champion for nothing asap

    Pippen was the only 90's sidekick that wasn't a "1b" that could get elite stats and dominate.. Since he had the lowest peak capability (transition/hustle player), he wasn't on the scouting report and made MJ defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load).
    This explains exactly why he is possibly the greatest sidekick of all time, the greatest Robin to someone else as Batman.

    But also just as much explains how he wasnít an MVP, game changing, franchise corner stone superstar that could score and facilitate at the level of a number 1 option.

    He was no Shaquille OíNeal, no Dwyane Wade, no Anthony Davis. And you could even make the argument, not a Kyrie Irving

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    Only one...the man they called Mr. Basketball or The Monster

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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    It says that they tried to make the 33-year-old Pippen a higher option, but he simply wasn't anywhere near 36-year fossils Barkley and Hakeem, who were SEVERAL YEARS past their prime

    Btw, that excerpt was part of an article describing how much Houston literally hated Pippen and traded him asap for nothing
    Again, it doesn't fit your original statement comparing Pippen to Green. Keep up dude

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    I don't understand how someone could have watched Curry's whole career and yet have no idea who Kevin Durant is. Thompson Green and whoever that Durant guy is have all been Allstars and played with Curry in their prime. Warriors have annihilated the luxury tax to ensure they have a great team.

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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    Yes, many people. Off the top of my head:

    Michael Jordan
    Dirk Nowitzki
    Giannis Antetokumpo
    Kobe Bryant

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteKyrie View Post

    This explains exactly why he is possibly the greatest sidekick of all time, the greatest Robin to someone else as Batman.


    Why does Jordan have to win with a "Robin", while everyone else had a 1b?

    Everyone else had "1b" equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention - only MJ had to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load).

    Many people prefer to believe that "scoring isn't everything"... Unfortunately, elite-scoring help is what everyone in history needed tons of, except the GOAT (mj).

    So when you say "Robin", you're only talking about non-1st options like Iggy, Pippen, Wiggins, Lowry, etc - these secondary-producing sidekicks can't dominate and therefore force the 1st option to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load).

    Otoh, the premier tier of sidekicks are infact dominant 1st options or "1b's" like Kobe, AD, Kareem, Curry, Wade, Kyrie, etc... These guys take over numerous series and achieve elite stats or lead their team in scoring.

    It's important to note that every 90's sidekick was infact a 1b that could achieve elite stats and take over many series EXCEPT PIPPEN - pippen is the only sidekick that was more of a transition/hustle player that couldn't average elite stats in a series, while also having the lowest peak capability (no game-planning required).. These are easily-provable facts in the historical record..
    Last edited by 3ba11; 10-05-2022 at 05:51 PM.

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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    Here's the context - Houston hated Pippen:








    So they traded the 6-time champion for nothing asap

    Pippen was the only 90's sidekick that wasn't a "1b" that could get elite stats and dominate.. Since he had the lowest peak capability (transition/hustle player), he wasn't on the scouting report and made MJ defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load).
    They traded Pippen because he didnt want to be there. Pippen publicly complained about his he was being underutilized in the offense. Even if Rudy T wrote plays to include him in the offense, it obviously didn't work. In spite of playing more minutes than Hakeem and Barkley, Hakeem led the team in FGAs and Barkey tied for second with Pip.

    Pippen wanted the Rockets to play a more open court, but Barkely was too fat and out of shape,and Olajuwan was to old.


    "The system that was in place in Houston was completely different than the one he was used to when playing for the Bulls. There was a lot of iso basketball, unlike the free-flowing system the Bulls had in place with the triangle offense. Hakeem and Barkley were taking most of the shots, and Pippen's main task was to get them the ball, and he wasn't so much involved in the offense as he was with the Bulls."
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bas...-in-his-career

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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    Why does Jordan have to win with a "Robin", while everyone else had a 1b?

    Everyone else had "1b" equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention - only MJ had to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load).

    Many people prefer to believe that "scoring isn't everything"... Unfortunately, elite-scoring help is what everyone in history needed tons of, except the GOAT (mj).

    So when you say "Robin", you're only talking about non-1st options like Iggy, Pippen, Wiggins, Lowry, etc - these secondary-producing sidekicks can't dominate and therefore force the 1st option to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load).

    Otoh, the premier tier of sidekicks are infact dominant 1st options or "1b's" like Kobe, AD, Kareem, Curry, Wade, Kyrie, etc... These guys take over numerous series and achieve elite stats or lead their team in scoring.

    It's important to note that every 90's sidekick was infact a 1b that could achieve elite stats and take over many series EXCEPT PIPPEN - pippen is the only sidekick that was more of a transition/hustle player that couldn't average elite stats in a series, while also having the lowest peak capability (no game-planning required).. These are easily-provable facts in the historical record..
    Jordan was never gonna allow a "1b". He didn't even do it in the Olympics. Fortunately for him, Pippen's impact on the game went past scoring. Not to mention, Jordan said he wanted to lead the league in scoring. So in order for Pip to keep up, he would've had to try to jack up shots close to what Jordan was doing. Fortunately, he didnt

    The fact that you refuse to acknowledge this makes you a troll.

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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    No klay, no play. Period.

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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    Quote Originally Posted by KNOW1EDGE View Post
    Yes, many people. Off the top of my head:

    Michael Jordan
    Dirk Nowitzki
    Giannis Antetokumpo
    Kobe Bryant
    Nowitzki and Antetokounmpo have led dynastic teams?

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