Gary Payton: "LeBron James is by far a better all round than Jordan"

[Axe]

What does him winning DPOY have to do with his own opinion? I don't understand this logic.

Low IQ Bron haters at it again.

Oh casuals...

[3ba11]

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Surely Payton thinks Magic is a better all-round player than MJ too, but Magic is still below MJ as a basketball player just like Lebron is (and MJ was a better PG than Magic when he played that position in 89' anyway, so Payton is wrong even by his own flawed logic of inflating point-guard-style players)

Ultimately, ball-dominators like Magic, Lebron, and Luka have the following flaws:

* can't run off-screens and play off-guard OR DEFEND off-guards, aka Klay, Reggie Miller, Curry, MJ

* can't carry the scoring load and therefore needs all-time scoring help like Kareem, Wade, AD, Kyrie

If required to carry the scoring load, the skillsets of Lebron, Luka, Magic, or Westbrook are too ball-dominant to beat top teams and therefore need elite 1st options at sidekick like Kareem, Durant, Wade, AD, Kyrie, etc.. Otoh, expert jumpshooters can carry the scoring load against top teams (maintain ball movement), so they can win secondary producers like Wiggins or Pippen and don't need all-time scoring help like ball-dominators.. People forget that GM's prefer to build a contender cheaply with defenders but this requires a 1st option that can carry the scoring load like Curry or MJ (expert jumpshooters), otherwise the GM must find expensive scoring help to support inferior brands of ball (ball-dominators).

Ultimately, expert jumpshooters can defeat maximum defensive attention (carry the scoring load in playoffs and Finals of title run), so they need the least scoring help, thereby building dynasties with the least help (secondary producders like Wiggins, Pippen and cheap defenders).

* Uncoachable - they never evolved out of ball-dominant offenses that revolve around them, thus forcing coaches into a predictable heliocentric offense where 80% of the team plays a spot-up role - this garbage brand of ball predictably requires goat supporting talent and has lower team ceilings/Finals records than expected

* impose spot-up roles that stall young players, so they lack the teammate development, fits, and brand of ball needed to win organically and must be talent-based winners instead (team-hoppers or colluders... all-star game strategy).. aka they never really learn how to win (organic) and only learn how to collude/team-hop.

* turnover prone and uses teammates as bailout options instead of being a bailout option for teammates (elevating teammates)

[RRR3]

Gary Payton giving his opinion has sent 3ball into a massive tantrum

[Full Court]

3ball sending RRR3 into a meltdown.

As usual.

[Baller789]

What does him winning DPOY have to do with his own opinion? I don't understand this logic.

Low IQ Bron haters at it again.

Was Payton winning DPOY a joke?

[1987_Lakers]

Was Payton winning DPOY a joke?

Yes, but does that mean his own opinion is a joke just because he won the award?

[Street Hunger]

How would Jordan do in isolation against LeBron in 3-point range at the top of the key?

[3ba11]

How would Jordan do in isolation against LeBron in 3-point range at the top of the key?

Two made jumpers

Then upfake -blowby

Then jab step-blowby when Lebron presses up on him (down 0-3 at this point)

Then jab-step, pivot, spin

Blow-by left

Then Mike turns his back to him and starts shooting fadeaways

[RRR3]

Two made jumpers

Then upfake -blowby

Then jab step-blowby when Lebron presses up on him (down 0-3 at this point)

Then jab-step, pivot, spin

And on and on.

Why do you throw so many tantrums at your advanced age? Never matured past toddler?

[3ba11]

How would Jordan do in isolation against LeBron in 3-point range at the top of the key?

[Street Hunger]

Wonder if GP and Jordan talk these days

[Baller789]

Yes, but does that mean his own opinion is a joke just because he won the award?

Well if him winning DPOY to you was a joke, theres no stopping anyone else from calling his opinion as a joke.

[Street Hunger]

Need to rewatch some Gary Payton games to properly remember his defensive skills

[1987_Lakers]

Well if him winning DPOY to you was a joke, theres no stopping anyone else from calling his opinion as a joke.

Nice logic there.

[Smook A.]

LeBron's the best all-around player ever. Elite scorer, elite passer, always been a solid rebounder, has an extremely high basketball IQ, and he was also an elite defender for a while. Full package