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I still think Jokic is underrated
Dude is basically Dirk Nowitzki but with elite PG passing abilities added on. Even though he hasn't made a finals yet, he has always been a superstar in the playoffs.
Last three regular seasons averages (170 games).
Jokic: 26.4/12/8.2 with only 3.5 turnovers per game. 32.1 PER, 66 TS%, 12.8 BPM
I understand the league is very offensive friendly now, but the Joker is annihilating everyone on offense. His advanced stats look like prime MJ/Lebron level. If he was a black American and athletic (more exciting playstyle), he'd be in GOAT talks. I still see many people act like Embiid is better than Jokic, which is very odd since Embiid has accomplished less than Joker and is definitely a worse playoff performer.
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NBA Legend
Re: I still think Jokic is underrated
Hard to be underrated after winning back to back MVPs. I agree he is a beast though.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: I still think Jokic is underrated
He's having another great season, but I think the fact that he has back to back MVPs, media/fans don't care to discuss him as much anymore.
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Re: I still think Jokic is underrated
 Originally Posted by tontoz
Hard to be underrated after winning back to back MVPs. I agree he is a beast though.
Underrated among the NBA fan base...he's barely talked about relative to his dominance of the game, similar to how no one talks about Tim Duncan.
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Embiid > Jokic
Re: I still think Jokic is underrated
 Originally Posted by tontoz
Hard to be underrated after winning back to back MVPs. I agree he is a beast though.
Yeah, this makes the claim that he's underrated ridiculous It's moreso fans and the media just don't care about him, and the sad reality is that until you win a title, you'll never be considered legitimate in the eyes of the dumbed down, casual NBA fanbase and media.
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National High School Star
Re: I still think Jokic is underrated
Jokic's terrible defense hurts the Nuggets in the playoffs. According to the some advanced stats he is one of the 3 best players ever but he has terrible on/off numbers in the playoffs. Guys like Curry and KD are better defenders. I really like Jokic actually he is incredibly entertaining but he isn't much better than Embiid. Maybe very slightly. He is much better offensively but also much worse defensively.
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NBA Legend
Re: I still think Jokic is underrated
 Originally Posted by Akeem34TheDream
Jokic's terrible defense hurts the Nuggets in the playoffs. According to the some advanced stats he is one of the 3 best players ever but he has terrible on/off numbers in the playoffs. Guys like Curry and KD are better defenders. I really like Jokic actually he is incredibly entertaining but he isn't much better than Embiid. Maybe very slightly. He is much better offensively but also much worse defensively.
Jokic has a BPM of 9.3 for his career in the playoffs which is elite. He has been dominant in the playoffs and a net positive on defense.
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Re: I still think Jokic is underrated
 Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
Yeah, this makes the claim that he's underrated ridiculous  It's moreso fans and the media just don't care about him, and the sad reality is that until you win a title, you'll never be considered legitimate in the eyes of the dumbed down, casual NBA fanbase and media.
He is underrated among the fan base though...which is my point. He is barely talked about just like Duncan was barely talked about compared to Shaq, Kobe, and even KG.
I'd be willing to bet that the average NBA fan holds someone like Carmelo Anthony in higher regards than Jokic.
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Re: I still think Jokic is underrated
I still don't understand why he can't get into elite shape. He seems to be gasping for air a lot.
If it legit is because he doesn't want to roid and most stars roid (Giannis, AD), then I understand that.
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National High School Star
Re: I still think Jokic is underrated
 Originally Posted by tontoz
Jokic has a BPM of 9.3 for his career in the playoffs which is elite.
It's not elite. It is the 3rd best all time after Michael Jordan and Lebron James. But even you know that is not an accurate ranking. You know that the guys that initiates offense and do everything on that side but hide/ conserve energy on the defensive side gets overrated by bpm. They average insane stats and they never have enough help. I wonder why?
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NBA Legend
Re: I still think Jokic is underrated
 Originally Posted by Akeem34TheDream
It's not elite. It is the 3rd best all time after Michael Jordan and Lebron James. But even you know that is not an accurate ranking. You know that the guys that initiates offense and do everything on that side but hide/ conserve energy on the defensive side gets overrated by bpm. They average insane stats and they never have enough help. I wonder why?
Maybe because their 2nd and 3rd options have been out hurt so often. MPJ has played only 25 games total the last two seasons. Murray hasn't played in the playoffs since the bubble.
Feel free to share the defensive metrics that have Jokic rated so poorly.
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Re: I still think Jokic is underrated
Jokic just had TWENTY rebounds in the first half tonight. Currently has 27/24/8...all this in only 32 minutes.
Seriously there has never been a player like Jokic. He is just as unique as a Lebron or Giannis. Really hope this dude gets a ring one day because he is easily one of the best offensive players ever. Basically a Dirk/Bird hybrid.
Last edited by StrongLurk; 12-18-2022 at 10:55 PM.
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NBA Superstar
Re: I still think Jokic is underrated
There's the triple double. 37/27/10. 30 seconds left.
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NBA Superstar
Re: I still think Jokic is underrated
 Originally Posted by StrongLurk
Jokic just had TWENTY rebounds in the first half tonight. Currently has 27/24/8...all this in only 32 minutes.
Seriously there has never been a player like Jokic. He is just as unique as a Lebron or Giannis. Really hope this dude gets a ring one day because he is easily one of the best offensive players ever. Basically a Dirk/Bird hybrid.
While he has three point range, he’s statistically not a sniper out there.
Crazy as it sounds, he might actually be more of a Magic/Kareem hybrid
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Nuggets/Avs/Broncos.
Re: I still think Jokic is underrated
Honestly it's a shame he'll spend his entire career with the Nuggets. We've dealt with injury issues and in a perfect world where MPJ/Murray get healthy than I think the Nuggets would have done a bang up job but as it stands now he'll never have the support to get a ring. Which means he'll never get the proper attention he deserves. If he was doing what he's doing now in a bigger market I think he'd be getting the LeBron/Kobe etc. push.
He's just an absurd player. You mention how friendly the league is offensively now .. but it's not that way for big men. He manages to be an average/above average defender despite all the switching he has to do. I legitimately don't think there's 15 players that are more talented than Jokic in the history of the game. He can do everything offensively at an elite level. He can bring the ball up the court, pass from the post, create off the bounce, shoot from anywhere, elite in the post, GOAT level touch around the rim. He's in the conversation for the most skilled player of all-time IMO. You give him elite athleticism and there's legitimate talk about him being the GOAT right now.
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