LeBron is the greatest scorer + playmaker ever

[SouBeachTalents]

Jordan won 6 FMVPs and three peated twice.

Bronie could not.

He did double Wilt in FMVP's though.

[Full Court]

He did double Wilt in FMVP's though.

Yeah, he's pretty good. I have him top ten of all time.

[Round Mound]

He is good transition: scorer and passer but there are others better than Lebron as both scorers and passers.

[SouBeachTalents]

He is good transition: scorer and passer but there are others better than Lebron as both scorers and passers.

Like who.

[Round Mound]

Like who.

Don't remember you figure that out.

[SouBeachTalents]

Don't remember you figure that out.

I can't figure out these multiple players who are both better scorers and passers than LeBron, and apparently you can't either

[RRR3]

He is good transition: scorer and passer but there are others better than Lebron as both scorers and passers.

The guy who is going to obliterate the scoring record is "just a good transition scorer"

Nostalgia stans are braindead

[SaltyMeatballs]

He is good transition: scorer and passer but there are others better than Lebron as both scorers and passers.

Name one guy

[1987_Lakers]

He is good transition: scorer and passer but there are others better than Lebron as both scorers and passers.

Not really.

Bird is the only one who comes to mind who is close, but I believe LeBron was the better scorer of the two, especially in the playoffs.

[RRR3]

Not really.

Bird is the only one who comes to mind who is close, but I believe LeBron was the better scorer of the two, especially in the playoffs.

Bird has zero case over LeBron as a scorer, you''d have to think he was way better than LeBron at passing to make the argument.

[ShawkFactory]

Don't remember you figure that out.

With the total package of course Jordan and Magic are on that level.

Bird started transitions with rebounds and lighting quick passes to outlets but he didn’t score like the others.

[RRR3]

With the total package of course Jordan and Magic are on that level.

Bird started transitions with rebounds and lighting quick passes to outlets but he didn’t score like the others.

Bird scored quite a bit more than Magic.

[j3lademaster]

Like who.

Peak Barkley, duh.

[Johnny32]

Jordan is better by that logic as he was so much better at scoring than Bran

based on absolutely nothing.

[HoopsNY]

Dude uses one playoff run and tries to pass it off like MJ averaged that throughout his career. MJ was NEVER on LeBron's level as a passer.

While I do agree that LeBron is the better passer, their playmaking skills are much closer. In addition, as the league adapts to more three point shooting, it became much easier to get assists, especially when LeBron assumed the PG role like he did in 2020.

RS LeBron '04-'14: 6.9 APG
PS LeBron '04-'14: 6.4 APG

RS LeBron '15-'23: 8.0 APG
PS LeBron '15-'23: 8.3 APG

There's obviously a big difference here in assist numbers. LeBron's first 10 years look at lot more like MJ's, particularly if we compare peaks.

RS LeBron '09-'14: 7.1 APG
PS LeBron '09-'14: 6.1 APG
FS LeBron '09-'14: 6.4 APG

RS MJ '88-'93: 6.2 APG
PS MJ '88-'93: 6.6 APG
FS MJ '88-'93: 7.9 APG

One might argue that LeBron's role was different in the Miami days, and I'd agree. It really is about roles. That is to say, if you put MJ in more of a facilitator role, then the end result is likely similar i.e., more assists. Furthermore, LeBron averaged 6.8 APG in the finals of '07, so it's all similar.

One might argue that LeBron was in his offensive peak in 2017 and 2018. I don't believe this to be the case. I just think he looked to pass more. For example, the league's pace was steadily increasing, yet 2017 was LeBron's 3rd lowest FGA per game in his 20 season career. And to no surprise, his three highest APG seasons have all come since 2015, namely 2017, 2018, and 2020 (when he played PG).

I do think LeBron's court vision is superior, but generally as a playmaker, I believe they were much more comparable and it's really recency bias that has people thinking LeBron is above and beyond.