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    Default Re: Do you think that the Suns finals run in 1993 was a fluke.

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    Jordan should've been MVP in 1990 and it isn't close:


    1990 Jordan....... 31.2 PER.... 11.2 BPM... 10.6 VORP... 0.285 WS/48... 34/7/6
    1990 Barkley...... 27.1 PER...... 8.2 BPM'.... 8.0 VORP... 0.269 WS/48... 25/12/4


    Barkley's 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th options had higher PER, BPM, WS/48, PPG and efficiency than Jordan's 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th options, yet Barkley only won 53 games compared to 55 for Jordan.
    Also, comparing these stats is irrelevant. Barkley did more things that made his team mates better, but didn't show up on his stat sheet. It's why essentially every single one of his 76er team mates from 89 to 91 had career scoring years. And why Philly had the #2 offense in the league these years, despite Hersey Hawkins being their 2nd scoring option.

    That Barkley had a worse team than Jordan was known then and is still in known now.

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    Default Re: Do you think that the Suns finals run in 1993 was a fluke.

    Quote Originally Posted by AussieSteve View Post
    Also, comparing these stats is irrelevant. Barkley did more things that made his team mates better, but didn't show up on his stat sheet. It's why essentially every single one of his 76er team mates from 89 to 91 had career scoring years. And why Philly had the #2 offense in the league these years, despite Hersey Hawkins being their 2nd scoring option.

    That Barkley had a worse team than Jordan was known then and is still in known now.

    MJ was clearly far superior with a much weaker cast - I provided evidence of this and you responded with nothing.

    The Bulls were viewed as having the worst cast in the league from 88-90' - this was common knowledge before Lebron fans that never watched back then chimed in 30 years later.. - even a Lebron nut like Ben Taylor said the 88-90' casts were 0 percentile casts (better than 0% of casts)

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    Default Re: Do you think that the Suns finals run in 1993 was a fluke.

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    MJ was clearly far superior with a much weaker cast - I provided evidence of this and you responded with nothing.

    The Bulls were viewed as having the worst cast in the league from 88-90' - this was common knowledge before Lebron fans that never watched back then chimed in 30 years later.. - even a Lebron nut like Ben Taylor said the 88-90' casts were 0 percentile casts (better than 0% of casts)
    So why did Barkley get 38 1st place MVP votes to MJ's 21?

    MJs individual stats we better and The Bulls got 2 more wins in the same conference. If the Bulls had a worse cast, surely voters would have recognized the two additional Bulls wins as evidence that MJ was the more valuable player. No?

    Notice that every single one of Barkley's starting cast had careers high's in scoring next to him in Philly. Every single one. Why? Because he made them better. That's why Barkley's cast scored more with better efficiency than Jordan's team mates. Not because they were better players. Its also why Barkley led offenses were almost always better than Jordan led offenses.

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    Default Re: Do you think that the Suns finals run in 1993 was a fluke.

    Quote Originally Posted by ArbitraryWater View Post
    He literally says "The NBA wanted MJ vs Barkley."
    That's what Karceno4Life on You Tube was saying.

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    Default Re: Do you think that the Suns finals run in 1993 was a fluke.

    Quote Originally Posted by JBSptfn View Post
    That's what Karceno4Life on You Tube was saying.
    It's not like that's some secret or something. Coming off the Dream Team Charles was a huge star at Barcelona and he led the team with the best record in the West. Barkley vs. Jordan, Phoenix vs. Chicago was the ideal matchup and we all got it.

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    Default Re: Do you think that the Suns finals run in 1993 was a fluke.

    Drexler literally had his best playoff run ever in 92.

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