Do you think that the Suns finals run in 1993 was a fluke.

[SouBeachTalents]

The Suns win the 93' Finals easily if KJ was healthy and playing at the same level that he did in 94' and 95' against Hakeem where he averaged 28/5/9 in 2 seven-game series - this includes numerous 40-pt games and the famous poster over Hakeem....... or when KJ upset Magic's 1 seed in 1990 by dominating..

KJ was a dominant playoff performer and a healthy KJ would've forced MJ to average 45-50 to win (Pippen was already at capacity with 46% true shooting, aka couldn't handle more volume)

Basically, that Phoenix team was a massive juggernaut with crazy talent.. A guy like Richard Dumas (Pippen -loke talent) was 5th option

Damn, the Suns win easily if KJ's healthy? Major asterisk.

[3ba11]

Damn, the Suns win easily if KJ's healthy? Major asterisk.

When Jordan had the chance to 3-peat, he averaged 41/9/6 to ensure victory, while Lebron averaged 13 points less and lost by a record 13-ppint margin to the Spurs.. You can't make this shit up... Btw, the Suns and Bulls both averaged 106.7 ppg, so every drop of Jordan's production was needed.. So the numbers work out perfectly.

Furthermore, a healthy KJ would simply make MJ average 47 instead of 41 (Jordan averaged 47/10/6 for games 2-4, so he would just do that for the entire series.. He shot 50% at 41 ppg, so he would probably shoot like 45% at 47 ppg).

And the Bulls were banged up too btw, so it's a moot point - any team that is pursuing a 3-peat will be banged up

[SouBeachTalents]

When Jordan had the chance to 3-peat, he averaged 41/9/6 to ensure victory, while Lebron averaged 13 points less and lost by a record 13-ppint margin to the Spurs.. You can't make this shit up... Btw, the Suns and Bulls both averaged 106.7 ppg, so every drop of Jordan's production was needed.. So the numbers work out perfectly.

Furthermore, a healthy KJ would simply make MJ average 47 instead of 41 (Jordan averaged 47/10/6 for games 2-4, so he would just do that for the entire series.. He shot 50% at 41 ppg, so he would probably shoot like 45% at 47 ppg).

And the Bulls were banged up too btw, so it's a moot point - any team that is pursuing a 3-peat will be banged up

But Jordan doesn't 3peat if KJ's healthy, you literally just said so. So that 3peat gets a major asterisk because of it, it is what it is.

[Phoenix]

Furthermore, a healthy KJ would simply make MJ average 47 instead of 41 (Jordan averaged 47/10/6 for games 2-4, so he would just do that for the entire series.. He shot 50% at 41 ppg, so he would probably shoot like 45% at 47 ppg).

So basically... a 'healthy' KJ would add another 10 points to his volume without affecting anyone else's scoring output, rather than the more likely scenario that a healthy KJ takes a few shots from guys like Majerle and Dumas. Or that the Bulls probably use MJ in key moments of the game defensively if 'healthy' KJ started going off.

[L.Kizzle]

KJ avg more points than Chuck in 94 and 95 vs Rockets.

[3ba11]

KJ avg more points than Chuck in 94 and 95 vs Rockets.

Exactly.. the only reason the Suns lost to the Rockets in 7 games twice (94 and 95) is because Barkley got hurt and underperformed both years.. Otherwise the Suns were a crazy juggernaut that required 41 from MJ to win (41 vs max defensive attention, aka carrying scoring load)

[SouBeachTalents]

Exactly.. the only reason the Suns lost to the Rockets in 7 games twice (94 and 95) is because Barkley got hurt and underperformed both years.. Otherwise the Suns were a crazy juggernaut that required 41 from MJ to win (41 vs max defensive attention, aka carrying scoring load)

But he wouldn't have won if KJ were healthy. You said so yourself.

[jlip]

Damn, the Suns win easily if KJ's healthy? Major asterisk.

Wait a minute. In the '91 Finals both Worthy and Scott were injured, and in the '93 Finals KJ was injured causing the Suns to lose. According to 3Ball, the Bulls first three peat was very suspect.

[Phoenix]

Wait a minute. In the '91 Finals both Worthy and Scott were injured, and in the '93 Finals KJ was injured causing the Suns to lose. According to 3Ball, the Bulls first three peat was very suspect.

And Grant was injured in the 96 ECFs.

Own-goals himself every single time.

[SouBeachTalents]

Wait a minute. In the '91 Finals both Worthy and Scott were injured, and in the '93 Finals KJ was injured causing the Suns to lose. According to 3Ball, the Bulls first three peat was very suspect.

Wow, I didn't even think about that. Now I have to reassess that entire dynasty, first 3peat is looking awfully suspect now, several asterisks.

And Grant was injured in the 96 ECFs.

Damn, the 72 win season too The Magic taxed that ass the year before, with Grant playing a pivotal role, so that definitely gets another asterisk.

[L.Kizzle]

Drexler was injured in 92 as well.

[Xiao Yao You]

Wait a minute. In the '91 Finals both Worthy and Scott were injured, and in the '93 Finals KJ was injured causing the Suns to lose. According to 3Ball, the Bulls first three peat was very suspect.

but at least no bubble

[warriorfan]

Curry was injured in 2016

[3ba11]

Wait a minute. In the '91 Finals both Worthy and Scott were injured, and in the '93 Finals KJ was injured causing the Suns to lose. According to 3Ball, the Bulls first three peat was very suspect.

The only unanimous MVP ever who had arguably the most dominant regular season ever was hurt in the 2016 Finals and destroyed by Kyrie.

The reality is that if the guys are out there and playing like Worthy, Curry or KJ, then the title is considered legit.. but the 16' title has a legit asterisk because dray WASN'T out there in a critical, series-swinging game

Btw, Pippen didn't get any all-defense votes in 1993 because he was hurt all year and banged up in the Finals. (MJ was #2 for DPOY in 93')

[SouBeachTalents]

The only unanimous MVP ever who had arguably the most dominant regular season ever was hurt in the 2016 Finals and destroyed by Kyrie.

The reality is that if the guys are out there and playing like Worthy, Curry or KJ, then the title is considered legit.. but the 16' title has a legit asterisk because dray WASN'T out there in a critical, series-swinging game

Btw, Pippen didn't get any all-defense votes in 1993 because he was hurt all year and banged up in the Finals. (MJ was #2 for DPOY in 93')

Pippen made All-Defensive First Team in '93, as he did every season from 1992-98.