Do you think that the Suns finals run in 1993 was a fluke.

[FKAri]

Drexler was injured in 92 as well.

This brings MJ down to negative 2 rings. Is that the worst ring total in NBA history? Wow!

[Phoenix]

3ball has managed to de-legitimize the entire Bull dynasty in a random thread on a Tuesday afternoon, right before his weekly banning kicks in.

[SouBeachTalents]

3ball has managed to de-legitimize the entire Bull dynasty in a random thread on a Tuesday afternoon, right before his weekly banning kicks in.

Undid 50,000 posts and a decade of dedication in less than an hour No easy feat.

[3ba11]

In addition to the 16' ring being tainted by Curry's injury and Dray suspension, the 2009 Magic had the injury excuse but still won as a massive underdog - all-star Jameer Nelson didn't play in that series..

Mo averaged 18 on 38%, so Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick - he's too ball-dominant at carry-job volume to beat top teams, so he needs all-time scoring help like AD, Wade or Kyrie and can't win with the secondary producers that expert jumpshooters win with (Wiggins, Pippen, Terry, Lowry, Pau, Klay)

[ArbitraryWater]

Drexler was injured in 92 as well.

Was he actually? Lol

[jlip]

Was he actually? Lol

Yep. 🤣

https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/...rior-92-finals

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...117-story.html

[SouBeachTalents]

Yep. ��

https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/...rior-92-finals

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...117-story.html

An injury to EVERY Finals opponent during the first 3peat Triple asterisk.

[NBAGOAT]

That core was still a contender tbf. Better teams than the suns have struggled in the playoffs and needed ref luck. Yea they choked pretty badly in 94/95 but you can also look at it from the perspective of they played the champs as close as anyone those 2 years with a worse version of their 93 team

[jlip]

3ball has managed to de-legitimize the entire Bull dynasty in a random thread on a Tuesday afternoon, right before his weekly banning kicks in.

Undid 50,000 posts and a decade of dedication in less than an hour No easy feat.

An injury to EVERY Finals opponent during the first 3peat Triple asterisk.

This thread has unexpectedly become very hilarious.

[AussieSteve]

You're right. Still lost tho, both times.

It was because of Barkley's back. Check his numbers in the 94 playoffs. He was going at >30ppg in Rd1 and over the first couple game vs the rockets. And the Suns were rolling. Then his back injury from that year was started to flare up and his level fell off a cliff. This
article after the game 7 loss tells the story...


https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...780-story.html

[AussieSteve]

could Chuck have won the 94 MVP if he hadnt gone down? He was averaging 25/12/5 on 53% at that point, not too far off his 93 campaign. The rest of the way with the game he got injured in he did 19/11/4 on 47%.

I think Hakeem would have won MVP still. He was epic that season. Unless the Suns got to a crazy record like 67+ wins or something.

However we should in reality be talking about Barkley as a 2x MVP (1990 he was genuinely the true winner) and, had his back held out for another year, he would have been a FMVP in 1994 as well.

[ArbitraryWater]

I think Hakeem would have won MVP still. He was epic that season. Unless the Suns got to a crazy record like 67+ wins or something.

However we should in reality be talking about Barkley as a 2x MVP (1990 he was genuinely the true winner) and, had his back held out for another year, he would have been a FMVP in 1994 as well.

[3ba11]

I think Hakeem would have won MVP still. He was epic that season. Unless the Suns got to a crazy record like 67+ wins or something.

However we should in reality be talking about Barkley as a 2x MVP (1990 he was genuinely the true winner) and, had his back held out for another year, he would have been a FMVP in 1994 as well.

Jordan should've been MVP in 1990 and it isn't close:

1990 Jordan....... 31.2 PER.... 11.2 BPM... 10.6 VORP... 0.285 WS/48... 34/7/6
1990 Barkley...... 27.1 PER...... 8.2 BPM'.... 8.0 VORP... 0.269 WS/48... 25/12/4

Barkley's 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th options had higher PER, BPM, WS/48, PPG and efficiency than Jordan's 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th options, yet Barkley only won 53 games compared to 55 for Jordan.

In the playoffs, Jordan averaged 43 ppg and destroyed Barkley's 6-year organic team (easily superior than say the 2018 Celtics)

Btw, Lebron never received a 7 ppg rookie where everyone said "Okay that's it!!! Lebron has what he needs!!!"... No one said that for Jordan either and the Bulls had among the worst casts in the league (the worst casts from 88-90' according to Ben Taylor).. So MJ lost to dynasties with horrific casts, while Lebron lost to 1-star teams as the massive favorite twice (09', 11')

[AussieSteve]

Jordan should've been MVP in 1990 and it isn't close:

1990 Jordan....... 31.2 PER.... 11.2 BPM... 10.6 VORP... 0.285 WS/48... 34/7/6
1990 Barkley...... 27.1 PER...... 8.2 BPM'.... 8.0 VORP... 0.269 WS/48... 25/12/4

Barkley's 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th options had higher PER, BPM, WS/48, PPG and efficiency than Jordan's 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th options, yet Barkley only won 53 games compared to 55 for Jordan.

In the playoffs, Jordan averaged 43 ppg and destroyed Barkley's 6-year organic team (easily superior than say the 2018 Celtics)

Btw, Lebron never received a 7 ppg rookie where everyone said "Okay that's it!!! Lebron has what he needs!!!"... No one said that for Jordan either and the Bulls had among the worst casts in the league (the worst casts from 88-90' according to Ben Taylor).. So MJ lost to dynasties with horrific casts, while Lebron lost to 1-star teams as the massive favorite twice (09', 11')

We can argue all we want about who was the best player and who should have won MVP.

I'm just saying that Barkley actually did win it. By quite a margin. 38 1st place votes to Magic's 27. As we know, Magic favouring voters who left Barkley off their ballot entirely is why he didn't win it.

[RRR3]

An injury to EVERY Finals opponent during the first 3peat Triple asterisk.

LeBron more real rings than MJ confirmed