Give me an idea of where you rank prime Rondo as a point guard.

[Kblaze8855]

It’s actually a little hard for me to say. He’s one of those weird guys who both feels like he was a really big deal but also like he was a role player for most of his career. He was only a four time All-Star but he was a good player for what? 10-11 years?

People argued him vs prime Chris Paul at one point. Let me try to make this simple…how many of these players in their primes are you taking prime rondo over?


Deron
Kemba
Baron Davis
Trae
Wall
Lowry
Conley
Tony Parker
Jrue
Billips


How many of those 10 do you take Rondo over?

[John8204]

He's a Hall of Famer so this is pretty easy

Tony Parker and Trae Young are the only two likely Hall of Famers of that group...

[L.Kizzle]

Life without the Boston Big 3 didn't treat him too well. I'd take them all over Rondo being honest. I'd take Rondo over Jameer Nelson tho.

[Xiao Yao You]

everyone over Baron Davis

[Real Men Wear Green]

In biased enough to take him over everyone but Billups and Young. And I bet he would bust Young all over the court head to head.

[Jasper]

if I am correct Rondo has one chip

So he is ranked below any PG's that have more than 1.

[Real Men Wear Green]

if I am correct Rondo has one chip

So he is ranked below any PG's that have more than 1.

That's a ridiculous way to rank them (is Derek Fisher top 5?) but FYI Rondo has 2.

[Kblaze8855]

That's a ridiculous way to rank them (is Derek Fisher top 5?) but FYI Rondo has 2.

I was thinking something similar but people who think that way are too far gone to reason with so I kept quiet.

[ShawkFactory]

I’d definitely take prime Deron and Billups over him. After that it’s honestly way tougher. Depending on the team I’m going Tony Parker, and probably Lowry as well.

Trae, Wall, and Davis are perhaps more spectacular individually but I don’t think I’d rather have them on my team. Because they’re probably going to need to be the best player, or close to it, on the team and I don’t know where that team is going if that’s the case. Rondo can more easily blend in.

I think he Jrue and Conley are the exact same tier and you could draw any of the them out of a hat for me and I’d be happy. If I already have a team together it would just depend on the type of team I guess.

I’d take him over Kemba in most situations.

[Xiao Yao You]

I was thinking something similar but people who think that way are too far gone to reason with so I kept quiet.

but you aren't that way? You have Boozer over Gobert because he went to the conference finals as their 3rd best pf

[Kblaze8855]

That rate at which you obsess over and repeat things nobody ever said is pretty astounding. Having checked I’ve only even referenced them both in the same topic like 5 times and the original one you keep incorrectly referencing was me saying they won more in the playoffs and making no actual comparison between the two individuals. In fact in that same topic I said I’d take Deron and AK over both but no Boozer comparison at all.

Not that I’d care if I had. Boozer vs Rudy doesn’t matter. As a teams best player you’re just about equally doomed.

[999Guy]

Ranking as far as overall ability to affect a game, at their best.
Though, some of these guys have their own quirks and intangibles. Rondo himself was pretty damn good as a playoff player before his injury. And even after it, got better than he was in the RS, though his overall level of play declined.

Billups
Conley
Davis
Rondo
Lowry
Jrue
Wall
Parker
Deron
Trae
Kemba


Trae is having his best career year ever, main due to really cleaning up his mentally awful defense, but he gets really volatile against playoff defenses. I don’t think his game holds much title contending value yet.

Deron was a good offensive player who never actually scored well enough to really threaten a defense fundamentally. Meaning being consistently dominant scoring wise. His scoring was sparse and he didn’t thrive anywhere in particular. Underrated passer though. Mediocre defender.


Parker might be underrated by me a tad but he was a ball pounder who really was average passing wise. Unlike D-will, great as a penetrator but not nearly adept enough at passing to be a dominant offensive guy as opposed to just good. Meager situational shooter as well.


Kemba was a good offensive player, not great. Good volume shooting threat but no Lillard. Defensively weak until his offensive role got lower in Boston.


John Wall’s career post-injury really exposed how mentally feeble his game always was. Dumb mistakes and bad tendencies on both ends that he can’t get away with anymore, if he ever really did. Still, extremely good playoff player in his prime, because like I said, mentally he needed to clean things up, which he usually did in the postseason.

Big time gambler on defense, narrow passing habits. Loves the corner kick outs on his blazing drives, some lobs, and some pick and pop options, doesn’t really see the rest of the passing angles on the floor, and there are many. Still would scare the hell out of a lot of playoff teams that could underestimate him if they watched his sloppy film. Wanna give him credit for having dealt with bad knees for basically his whole prime too.

Yes, Conley is that good to me. His early 10’s peak is basically a less offensively explosive Chris Paul kind of thing going on. I could be overrating a bit but that’s my general impression. Haven’t looked into it in a little while.

Baron Davis was a defensive beast. Very underrated, very high level athlete. Inverse version of a lot of point guards as far as scoring and defense. Steady passer. Rare PG archetype.

Billups is the best offensive player here, with the highest peak in 09. Best player on Denver IMO when it comes down to it. His best defense was later in his career. In Detroit he had his best offense. Denver was the best mix of the two. Not a different class than the rest peak wise, but most consistent.

Lowry was fantastic in his mid 10’s peak. Could easily be underrating him.

The Davis Rondo Lowry Conley group can be shuffled a bunch of ways IMO. Confident in the rest.

[Xiao Yao You]

That rate at which you obsess over and repeat things nobody ever said is pretty astounding. Having checked I’ve only even referenced them both in the same topic like 5 times and the original one you keep incorrectly referencing was me saying they won more in the playoffs and making no actual comparison between the two individuals. In fact in that same topic I said I’d take Deron and AK over both but no Boozer comparison at all.

Not that I’d care if I had. Boozer vs Rudy doesn’t matter. As a teams best player you’re just about equally doomed.

the way you deny your bizarre arguments over and over is something else. They are hard to forget and I'm going to call you on your shit.. The Jazz made the finals because #8 seed upset #1 seed. Jazz wouldn't have beaten Dallas. The circumstances matter. Millsap and Kirilenko were better than the always injured awful defending Boozer. Not to mention it was Williams team so comparing Boozer to Gobert was just laughable. Sloan preferring Stockton/Malone lite doesn't change that

[Kblaze8855]

The funny thing about that is you thinking I’d feel a need to back away from any Gobert critique had I made it. I’m a lot better at this than you are. I don’t come across as an obsessed sycophant for anyone, so I don’t have the credibility issues you do. If I felt strongly about boozer being better, I would just say so and probably make you look bad while I explained it. As argumentative as I am, you should take me not choosing to start explaining why I think it as evidence that I don’t. It’s certainly not out of fear of anything you could say in opposition.

A Boozer or Rudy Gobert argument is like having a Joakim Noah or Zach Randolph one. Whoever you choose it’s probably not worth taking up your whole afternoon defending it. Whoever you pick if they’re your best player you peak around 50 something games and losing when it counts. And that’s if you give them another couple low end all stars to play with.

It doesn’t matter which of them leads you to nowhere. You’re getting there either way.

[Xiao Yao You]

The funny thing about that is you thinking I’d feel a need to back away from any Gobert critique had I made it. I’m a lot better at this than you are. I don’t come across as an obsessed sycophant for anyone, so I don’t have the credibility issues you do. If I felt strongly about boozer being better, I would just say so and probably make you look bad while I explained it. As argumentative as I am, you should take me not choosing to start explaining why I think it as evidence that I don’t. It’s certainly not out of fear of anything you could say in opposition.

A Boozer or Rudy Gobert argument is like having a Joakim Noah or Zach Randolph one. Whoever you choose it’s probably not worth taking up your whole afternoon defending it. Whoever you pick if they’re your best player you peak around 50 something games and losing when it counts. And that’s if you give them another couple low end all stars to play with.

It doesn’t matter which of them leads you to nowhere. You’re getting there either way.

You just said "I was thinking something similar but people who think that way are too far gone to reason with so I kept quiet." and you're doing the same thing yet again. Guys deserve credit for what they do even if it doesn't end in rings for whatever reason. It's a team sport. Teams win. Jazz didn't win without Gobert in the lineup that much I'm certain of with whoever they teamed him up with. They were actually trying to lose and couldn't because he was on the floor. Sloan, Stockton and Malone are all praised for never winning. No one said their chance has passed them up. They went from 1st to 3rd in their division and weren't sold off. The coach wasn't fired and he went from 1st to 3rd again with Deron and the legend that is Carlos Boozer. The coach is now a HOFer because he wasn't fired and had the luxury of two of the greats in the lineup every night for 2 decades