Nikola Jokic is better than Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, Mourning, Dwight, Yao

[SouBeachTalents]

Jokic is a solid player but he's not an all time great. His MVPs were handouts from the media based on two misunderstandings, a) He racked up stats on a crummy team (see Westbrook MVP), b) Stats don't tell the whole picture- particularly defense.

Look at who you're comparing to. Hakeem could protect the rim, Shaq could keep anyone from getting close to the hoop. Ewing was a defensive presence. All of those guys at least in their prime could move for a big man. Defense is half the game.

No offense but Jokic just got outscored by Anthony Davis in Game 1 at home- against a guy who didn't get a single MVP vote and averaged just about 20 points in the postseason. Jokic was guarding Davis and let up 40 points.

The Nuggets play a smart game with ball movement, player movement; they gel as a team with the right pieces that complement each other. Jokic is a key part of that. His lack of conditioning and defensive prowess hurts his all-time prospects. I'm watching 2nd half of Game 1, and see Lakers players blow by Jokic. Not only is he slow, one of the reasons the Lakers came back in the 2nd Half is that Jokic looks gassed.

I'll look for the Lakers to exploit that next game and certainly at home.

Oh look, the biggest snob on the forum with another terrible take

[Phoenix]

[Kblaze8855]

Jokic is “solid”?

[tpols]

Did this scumbag really just compare jokic to westbrook?

[ShawkFactory]

Jokic is a solid player but he's not an all time great. His MVPs were handouts from the media based on two misunderstandings, a) He racked up stats on a crummy team (see Westbrook MVP), b) Stats don't tell the whole picture- particularly defense.

Look at who you're comparing to. Hakeem could protect the rim, Shaq could keep anyone from getting close to the hoop. Ewing was a defensive presence. All of those guys at least in their prime could move for a big man. Defense is half the game.

No offense but Jokic just got outscored by Anthony Davis in Game 1 at home- against a guy who didn't get a single MVP vote and averaged just about 20 points in the postseason. Jokic was guarding Davis and let up 40 points.

The Nuggets play a smart game with ball movement, player movement; they gel as a team with the right pieces that complement each other. Jokic is a key part of that. His lack of conditioning and defensive prowess hurts his all-time prospects. I'm watching 2nd half of Game 1, and see Lakers players blow by Jokic. Not only is he slow, one of the reasons the Lakers came back in the 2nd Half is that Jokic looks gassed.

I'll look for the Lakers to exploit that next game and certainly at home.

What the actual fvck

[Im Still Ballin]

Jokic would fare far better on defense in the past. Not sure why it's being suggested otherwise. More post-up defense as opposed to pick-and-roll/dribble penetration is good for Nikola... obviously. And you'd be able to get away with two bigs like Dirk in the '00s. Dallas won a championship playing Dirk and Tyson Chandler together only 12 years ago.

[SATAN]

Such rough and tough 90s defense.

[WhiteKyrie]

Hell no.

Better than Dwight, Mourning and Yao? Easily.

Better than D-Rob and Ewing? Hell no. He’s playing in a soft league, at a position that is dead, with very few with the requisite size to handle him. Anthony Davis matched him in terms of performance last night, stuffed his shit multiple times, and Anthony Davis really is a PF.

Kevin Garnett has better foot speed on the perimeter to close out on Jokic long top of the key threes that no one closes out on, especially AD’s at times lazy ass.

KG could guard quick small forwards in his prime. While having the requisite length like Anthony Davis, plus shit, talking, psychological aspect, and isn’t made of glass

Tim Duncan could being with Jokic and give him issue. So could Patrick Ewing and definitely David Robinson, who was a hyper athlete at his size especially.

The only person who can be physical with him in today’s game is Joel Embiid, and he’s a soft wet flower African’t bitch.

He’s very great, he’s basically are divas Sabonis mixed with Bill Walton, mixed with touches of McHale and Bird. But hell no.

[SouBeachTalents]

Hell no.

Better than Dwight, Mourning and Yao? Easily.

Better than D-Rob and Ewing? Hell no. He’s playing in a soft league, at a position that is dead, with very few with the requisite size to handle him. Anthony Davis matched him in terms of performance last night, stuffed his shit multiple times, and Anthony Davis really is a PF.

Kevin Garnett has better foot speed on the perimeter to close out on Jokic long top of the key threes that no one closes out on, especially AD’s at times lazy ass.

KG could guard quick small forwards in his prime. While having the requisite length like Anthony Davis, plus shit, talking, psychological aspect, and isn’t made of glass

Tim Duncan could being with Jokic and give him issue. So could Patrick Ewing and definitely David Robinson, who was a hyper athlete at his size especially.

The only person who can be physical with him in today’s game is Joel Embiid, and he’s a soft wet flower African’t bitch.

He’s very great, he’s basically are divas Sabonis mixed with Bill Walton, mixed with touches of McHale and Bird. But hell no.

He’s MUCH better than Ewing. FOH I’d say he’s better than Robinson too but at least that can be debated. And anyone who claims AD matched him last night is a terrible evaluator of basketball.

[tpols]

Hell no.

Better than Dwight, Mourning and Yao? Easily.

Better than D-Rob and Ewing? Hell no. He’s playing in a soft league, at a position that is dead, with very few with the requisite size to handle him. Anthony Davis matched him in terms of performance last night, stuffed his shit multiple times, and Anthony Davis really is a PF.

Kevin Garnett has better foot speed on the perimeter to close out on Jokic long top of the key threes that no one closes out on, especially AD’s at times lazy ass.

KG could guard quick small forwards in his prime. While having the requisite length like Anthony Davis, plus shit, talking, psychological aspect, and isn’t made of glass

Tim Duncan could being with Jokic and give him issue. So could Patrick Ewing and definitely David Robinson, who was a hyper athlete at his size especially.

The only person who can be physical with him in today’s game is Joel Embiid, and he’s a soft wet flower African’t bitch.

He’s very great, he’s basically are divas Sabonis mixed with Bill Walton, mixed with touches of McHale and Bird. But hell no.

Jokic playoff production kills David Robinson and Ewing, who while they were way better defenders, aren't anywhere near the offensive playoff performer.

Jokiç shot on 80+% H2H vs AD yesterday. AD was only able to block him on a double team as help defender.

Center position is weak today compared to the 90s but those 90s centers simply couldn't shoot or pass anywhere near at the level of jokic. Comparing Ewing or Robinsons passing or shooting / scoring ability to jokic is worse than comparing jokic defense to their defense. Especially in the playoffs when Pat and David's offense fell off a cliff.

Jokic simply is way smarter than Ewing and more headstrong and peripherally intelligent than Robinson.

[dankok8]

Way better than Ewing, Mourning, Dwight, Yao... No debate there.

Jokic vs. Robinson is still a debate.

[tpols]

Way better than Ewing, Mourning, Dwight, Yao... No debate there.

Jokic vs. Robinson is still a debate.

In the playoffs?

Not even close.

[r0drig0lac]

Did this scumbag really just compare jokic to westbrook?

lol

[Kblaze8855]

Comparing Ewing or Robinsons passing or shooting / scoring ability to jokic is worse than comparing jokic defense to their defense.

Passing yes. Scoring no. Both of them are way way way closer to Jokic as scorers than he is to either of them on defense. And that’s with them playing teams almost exclusively built to defend players like them. They weren’t generally gonna be covered by Rui Hachimura for long like we just saw Jokic get so AD could help if necessary. You put joker against either one of their teams and if you take Ewing or Robinson off him that just means Charles Oakley or Dennis Rodman steps in. You weren’t going to get anybody you can push around even if there is a size mismatch. You take Shaq off him you put Horace Grant on. Take Hakeem off you put Otis Thorpe on.

that’s where it gets hard to compare. Even if you used one of those great centers as help defense you were going to put a bruising defense first full size to power forward in his place.

The main advantage Joker has compared to Drob is that he isn’t soft. Ewing isn’t soft but lacked the “Holy shit….” athletic ability that made Drob a defensive terror and so quick on offense when he cared enough to show it.


my problem with David and why I would probably rather have joker is that David had the advantage over almost everybody, but will play the same way. You go and watch him versus run TMC who absolutely should not have been able to hold him below 40 and he’s out there chilling his way to an efficient 20 something. Joker would give Tom Tolbert 66.

Jokic has heart like Ewing, skill like Hakeem, and a mean streak. And he’s in a league that has shooting to keep teams from collapsing without paying the price and opposing bigs are usually soft and don’t make him work to stop them.

David today would be a bigger Giannis with a much better mid range shot but none of his aggression and killer instinct. He wouldn’t care to prove anyone wrong. He be content once he got his contract because he could help the poor and bring glory to God. Which is fine I just don’t want it to be the chief motivation for my star. David would be better than Jokic today if he wanted it like Patrick Ewing wanted it. Ewing might be better if he had Robinsons mobility and quickness.

As it stands…I’d probably take Joker for today.

[dankok8]

In the playoffs?

Not even close.

Robinson is one of the GOAT defensive bigs. Yes it is close.