Why I don't blame Pippen for his views on Jordan and the Bulls.

[97 bulls]

He didn't know until he knew. You could think you want to marry someone and still have doubts up to the last minute. The man's father was murdered. Give the dude some grace there.

Again, with the double standard. You set the rules, then break them when they don't work for you. I have no problem with what MJ did. He did what was in his best interest. You have a problem with what Pippen did because it had a detrimental effect on the team. Jordan's retirement also had a detrimental effect.

[Da_Realist]

Retiring is different than intentionally sabotaging the season cause of feels. Maybe MJ was thinking about retiring and maybe he would have gone through with it but maybe not. But when he found out his father was murdered in July 1993 all bets were off. It's not longer a basketball situation. People deal with death in different ways, especially if it's sudden. My father also died suddenly. He wasn't murdered (which would have been worse) but it takes time to process all that. MJ had already climbed the highest mountain 3 times in a row. He wanted to go in another direction away from the pressure of holding up the league.

That's way different than being upset that management won't break your contract and intentionally missing most of the season out of spite. This is normal every day stuff but here on ISH everything needs to be broken down to a 4th grade level because most of you are just argumentative.

[97 bulls]

It's not that hard to understand. We expect adults to be professional. If a report is due on the 20th then it is expected that you work it until it is done and hand it to your manager on the 20th. Sometimes that requires working through the night. If an assignment is due, you sometimes need to work overnight to get it done. Most athletes lacking professionalism will find themselves traded or let go. If I recall, the Bulls wanted to trade Pippen before MJ came back. MJ made keeping Pippen on the team a condition for his return. But MJ never respected Pippen

Lol. Nobody said MJ didn't respect Pippen. I think Pippen felt betrayed. You guys have a misperception as to what it is to be professional. Professional doesn't mean you're a flunky. It also doesn't mean you have to take people's BS. Pippen sitting out that 1.8 seconds, throwing chairs, the gun situation. Those were him not being professional.

[FilmyCogTurner]

I will when I am. But I'm not in this case.

Again, why does Pippen have to be loyal to a franchise that wasn't loyal to him? Or Michael Jordan For that matter. Truth be told, Jordan didn't leave the Bulls to grieve his father. He left the Bulls to go play baseball. And I'm not saying he's wrong. But I feel he could've given the Bulls more time to make the necessary adjustments by not waiting until the last minute to up and retire. Especially when he's saying he knew he was going to retire the day after the 93 Finals.

The Bulls honored the contract Pippen signed, what is so difficult to understand about this? I hope your not a lawyer "bu-bu-but his fee-wings got hoyttt and now is dis-wi-spected".

The fact is he tried to sabotage the team postponing his surgery which in turn impacted the rest of the group who had nothing to do with his contract. That is unprofessional and selfish as it gets and the longer this debate goes on if we want to call it a debate the more you seem like Scottie Pippen to me. Stubborn and ignorant to the truth.

[theman93]

He couldn't be ready because he was hurt.

No, and this is why your a clear and obvious Pippen homer. He could have absolutely been ready but he chose not to. Acting like everyone is wearing rose-colored glasses for Jordan while your not wearing rose-colored glasses for Pippen is hilarious.

There's a difference between being professional and overlook being disrespected bro. He overlooked being disrespected for 10 years. What happened in 97 was the last straw.

Cry me a river. He's a grown ass man and there's nothing wrong with expecting a grown ass man to be a professional.

Well, according to Jordan. He knew after the last game in the 93 Finals that he was going to retire. That's what he said in the Last Dance. And even if he was mulling it over, he should've given the team the opportunity to make some moves by not waiting until the last minute.

Sure. Fair enough.

Sure. I never said otherwise. I said he had a valid reason. Truth be told, even I'd Pippen has the surgery and is in tip top shape by the 1st game of the season, you guys would still disrespect him.

Nah. There's like one guy on here who shits on him consistently. Everyone else might every once in a blue moon bring up this situation, the 1994 situation, or the migraine. Two of the three he is clearly and obvious being selfish.

[97 bulls]

The Bulls honored the contract Pippen signed, what is so difficult to understand about this? I hope your not a lawyer "bu-bu-but his fee-wings got hoyttt and now is dis-wi-spected".

Lol. I know you're not a lawyer. Pippen honored the terms and conditions outlined in his contract. That's being professional.

The fact is he tried to sabotage the team postponing his surgery which in turn impacted the rest of the group who had nothing to do with his contract. That is unprofessional and selfish as it gets and the longer this debate goes on if we want to call it a debate the more you seem like Scottie Pippen to me. Stubborn and ignorant to the truth.

He didn't sabotage the team bro. He came back and played his heart out. Even broke his back trying to help the Bulls win the title. Your problem is you feel going that extra mile makes one a professional. That's not true. Doing your job and fulfilling your duties to the best of your abilities make one a professional. That is, in the context in which we're speaking. If you're scheduled to work an 8 hour shift, and you're asked to work another 4 hours and you decline, that doesn't mean you're not being a professional. I think the word you're looking for is 'company man'.


The Bold is hilarious

[97 bulls]

No, and this is why your a clear and obvious Pippen homer. He could have absolutely been ready but he chose not to. Acting like everyone is wearing rose-colored glasses for Jordan while your not wearing rose-colored glasses for Pippen is hilarious.

He couldve. But that doesn't mean hes some evil individual because he opted to make a decison that stayed within the confines of the teams conditions.

Cry me a river. He's a grown ass man and there's nothing wrong with expecting a grown ass man to be a professional.

Right. You want him to be a flunky.

Nah. There's like one guy on here who shits on him consistently. Everyone else might every once in a blue moon bring up this situation, the 1994 situation, or the migraine. Two of the three he is clearly and obvious being selfish.

There's more than one guy. Way more. I honestly feel Pippen has been being disrespected ever since Lebron James GOAT status gained a little legitimacy (even though Jordan is the GOAT). And what happend is that people now have to crap on Jordan's teammates to make him seem like he won all those tiles by himself.

[FilmyCogTurner]

Lol. I know you're not a lawyer. Pippen honored the terms and conditions outlined in his contract. That's being professional.



He didn't sabotage the team bro. He came back and played his heart out. Even broke his back trying to help the Bulls win the title. Your problem is you feel going that extra mile makes one a professional. That's not true. Doing your job and fulfilling your duties to the best of your abilities make one a professional. That is, in the context in which we're speaking. If you're scheduled to work an 8 hour shift, and you're asked to work another 4 hours and you decline, that doesn't mean you're not being a professional. I think the word you're looking for is 'company man'.


The Bold is hilarious

Were his teammates impacted by his decision to postpone surgery?

[Micku]

There's more than one guy. Way more. I honestly feel Pippen has been being disrespected ever since Lebron James GOAT status gained a little legitimacy (even though Jordan is the GOAT). And what happend is that people now have to crap on Jordan's teammates to make him seem like he won all those tiles by himself.

It happened early than that. In the 2000s they were talking about Pippen too in comparison to Kobe. They were talking about how good MJ's teammates were in comparison to Kobe. And you had ppl either underrating or overrating MJ supporting case to win a bigger debate of MJ's impact vs whatever player.

And you always hold Pippen in a higher regard than the rest of the fans, right? I remember you comparing him to Magic a while back.

I felt Pippen is always either underrated or overrated. I thought he gets overtalked though. But that's my opinion. Patrick Ewing doesn't get enough talk I feel. Always thought he was better. Nobody talks about McHale this way. Nobody talks about Gasol. They don't even talk about Wade this way.

But the Bulls were a great team even without MJ. But that was after a while. MJ was the biggest piece though. After the doc, Pippen said crazy stuff. Like I said before, he said Phil was racist, MJ didn't want to defend the best player (lol), didn't pass, didn't rebound, his leadership didn't have any impact on the game, and said MJ had a negative impact on the game overall. That players wanted to do iso ball instead playing a team game. A bunch of stuff that sounded bitter after the doc.

And I think this will lead even more ppl disregard whatever Pippen legacy is. That MJ had to carry him and his bruised ego who wanted more credit than he deserved. But Pippen was a very good player and the Bulls were a good team top to bottom. Ppl consider him top 30 or top 25 or whatever. Idk. And that's crazy impressive man. They weren't the most talented, but you don't have the most talent to be a champion.

[theman93]

He couldve. But that doesn't mean hes some evil individual because he opted to make a decison that stayed within the confines of the teams conditions.

Who's calling him evil? The consensus is that he was being selfish. It ain't like we're calling him the devil lol. You're projecting again.

Right. You want him to be a professional.

fixed it for you

There's more than one guy. Way more. I honestly feel Pippen has been being disrespected ever since Lebron James GOAT status gained a little legitimacy (even though Jordan is the GOAT). And what happend is that people now have to crap on Jordan's teammates to make him seem like he won all those tiles by himself.

Who is consistently shitting on Pippen besides 3ba11? Name names if it's so many. And nah. Most of this talk around Pippen started when Lebron stans started the "no pip, no chip" trolling in response to Jordan being 6-0. We're simply correcting the Pippen record.

[97 bulls]

It happened early than that. In the 2000s they were talking about Pippen too in comparison to Kobe. They were talking about how good MJ's teammates were in comparison to Kobe. And you had ppl either underrating or overrating MJ supporting case to win a bigger debate of MJ's impact vs whatever player.

True

And you always hold Pippen in a higher regard than the rest of the fans, right? I remember you comparing him to Magic a while back.

I did. I feel they have a very similar skillset. Tall, excellent ball handlers, streaky jumpshooters, similar in rebounding, Magic was the better passer, Pippen the far better defended. And Magic was far better the thr FT line. Now saying that, Magic is a top 5/6 player, while Pippen is top 20s in my opinion.


I felt Pippen is always either underrated or overrated. I thought he gets overtalked though. But that's my opinion. Patrick Ewing doesn't get enough talk I feel. Always thought he was better. Nobody talks about McHale this way. Nobody talks about Gasol. They don't even talk about Wade this way.

But the Bulls were a great team even without MJ. But that was after a while. MJ was the biggest piece though. After the doc, Pippen said crazy stuff. Like I said before, he said Phil was racist, MJ didn't want to defend the best player (lol), didn't pass, didn't rebound, his leadership didn't have any impact on the game, and said MJ had a negative impact on the game overall. That players wanted to do iso ball instead playing a team game. A bunch of stuff that sounded bitter after the doc.

And I think this will lead even more ppl disregard whatever Pippen legacy is. That MJ had to carry him and his bruised ego who wanted more credit than he deserved. But Pippen was a very good player and the Bulls were a good team top to bottom. Ppl consider him top 30 or top 25 or whatever. Idk. And that's crazy impressive man. They weren't the most talented, but you don't have the most talent to be a champion.[/QUOTE]
Some of the stuff Pip said about MJ was just downright awful and wrong. But he wasn't wrong with regards to alot of what he said about MJ either.

[97 bulls]

Who's calling him evil? The consensus is that he was being selfish. It ain't like we're calling him the devil lol. You're projecting again.

Bro. Its not selfish. He fulfiled what he was contractually obligated to do. He has to do whats in his best interest first before he can help anyone else. Why didnt players on the Bulls volunteer to restructure their contract to pay Pippen what he was worth? Or like i said, sit out until the Bulls organization pays Pippen what he's worth. It's about the team, right?

Who is consistently shitting on Pippen besides 3ba11? Name names if it's so many. And nah. Most of this talk around Pippen started when Lebron stans started the "no pip, no chip," trolling in response to Jordan being 6-0. We're simply correcting the Pippen record.

That no Pip no chip stuff and the 1-9 mumbo jumbo started when the Jordanites began making the argument that Jordan won in spite of his teammates.

[theman93]

Bro. Its not selfish. He fulfiled what he was contractually obligated to do. He has to do whats in his best interest first before he can help anyone else. Why didnt players on the Bulls volunteer to restructure their contract to pay Pippen what he was worth? Or like i said, sit out until the Bulls organization pays Pippen what he's worth. It's about the team, right?

Everyone here seems to think it was selfish besides you . You can fulfill your contractual obligations and be selfish at the same time.

And because it's not up to the team to sacrifice for the individual. It's up to the individual to sacrifice for the team. If you've played sports at any level you would know this.

That no Pip no chip stuff and the 1-9 mumbo jumbo started when the Jordanites began making the argument that Jordan won in spite of his teammates.

Notice you haven't named anyone on here or in the media who consistently shit on Pippen. Still waiting.

[97 bulls]

Everyone here seems to think it was selfish besides you . You can fulfill your contractual obligations and be selfish at the same time.

The circumstances in this situation is different. Listen to Steve Kerr

And because it's not up to the team to sacrifice for the individual. It's up to the individual to sacrifice for the team. If you've played sports at any level you would know this.

Right. So the players on the team should put whats in their personal best interests aside and make sure that theyre doing whatever needs to be done to ensure the best possibility for said teams success. Be it Scottie Pippen taking the constant disrespect on the chin, or other players restructuring their contracts for the good of the team and assuring that one of their best players is happy. Its asinine logic.

Notice you haven't named anyone on here or in the media who consistently shit on Pippen. Still waiting.

Rougeburge, Soundwave, you, FilmyCogTurner, to name a few off the top of my head.
In the media? Skip Bayless for sure, Chris Broussard, Steven A Smith.

[theman93]

The circumstances in this situation is different. Listen to Steve Kerr

Lol so no one had an issue with Scottie waiting to get surgery when MJ literally said Pippen was wrong in that situation? Maybe Kerr should speak for himself instead of others.

Right. So the players on the team should put whats in their personal best interests aside and make sure that theyre doing whatever needs to be done to ensure the best possibility for said teams success. Be it Scottie Pippen taking the constant disrespect on the chin, or other players restructuring their contracts for the good of the team and assuring that one of their best players is happy. Its asinine logic.

No. Again, the bolded is the same example you've been giving of the team sacrificing for the individual, not the individual sacrificing for the team. It's not up to the entire team to appease Scottie. So you're right - it is completely asinine. This isn't that hard to grasp.

Rougeburge, Soundwave, you, FilmyCogTurner, to name a few off the top of my head.
In the media? Skip Bayless for sure, Chris Broussard, Steven A Smith.

Mmmm no. Don't confuse the few instances of (rightful) criticism for shitting on him consistently 3ba11 style.