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    Default Re: Why I don't blame Pippen for his views on Jordan and the Bulls.

    I already did a breakdown of Chicago's W/L record when MJ shot 20 or more times per game, every year. The team played much better (though were still dominant when he didn't) from 1991-98 when he shot the ball less than 20 times.

    This is a general trend though. The same happens with LeBron, KD, Steph, and Kobe. It's not surprising. Team basketball wins games and keeps defenses on their toes, eventually tiring them out.

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    I will when I am. But I'm not in this case.

    Again, why does Pippen have to be loyal to a franchise that wasn't loyal to him? Or Michael Jordan For that matter. Truth be told, Jordan didn't leave the Bulls to grieve his father. He left the Bulls to go play baseball. And I'm not saying he's wrong. But I feel he could've given the Bulls more time to make the necessary adjustments by not waiting until the last minute to up and retire. Especially when he's saying he knew he was going to retire the day after the 93 Finals.
    Not loyal to him?

    The Bulls literally brought him back to end his career, gave him a bronze bust in the stadium and actually created a position in the organization for him to give him a paycheck because he was hurting so bad with his dumb poor investments not long after his career ended.

    Scottie is obviously a selfish, sick and troubled immature old man at this point. He’s doing more harm to himself right now than anything. He’s petty, over emotional, and quite frankly stupid. Everything he says sounds bat shit crazy and stupid. He had been doing the flip flopping thing on the Bron and MJ conversation every other day. Because part of him is resentful MJ was the obvious superior player and that Scottie gets viewed (rightfully so) as a sidekick level talent. He sees more similarities in his game with LeBrons (even said he was better than him recently ) he’s all over the place because he’s a known selfish guy.

    His reputation around Chicago land is no tippin Pippen. He might have been the good cop to MJ’s bad cop in the locker room, but unlike Michael who went out of his way to be selfless and defend Scottie or give him praise (back in the late 90s, in the doc, etc) Scottie is selfishly throwing tantrums and pissing all over the legacy of himself and his championship teams and teammates in this process. The same way he went Scottie Qutting at the end of a playoff game because he was asked to be a decoy. Or the sitting out 1998 during the season as some sort of weird leverage power play for himself.

    This dude has always been crazy and ridiculously immature and selfish. Not to mention stupid.

    You can totally see why Larsa left his ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 97 bulls View Post
    Lol. Look at how Jordan is treating Isiah Thomas. He ended his friendship with Charles Barkley because Barkely said he had to many yes men around him. He called Isiah Thomas and "A" hole. Over something that happened in 1985? Jordan ain't never took the high road when it comes to handling people that he feels wronged him.
    Is Jordan just scapegoating Isaiah for the beating he took from Lambeer and Mahorn. Isaiah was on that team but he wasn't the one knocking Jordan to the ground. And if there were Jordan rules it came from their coach Chuck Daly.

    If so, that's awfully convenient because Isaiah isn't physically formidable as the 'bad boys' on the Pistons who did mess with Jordan.

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    The Bulls literally brought him back to end his career, gave him a bronze bust in the stadium and actually created a position in the organization for him to give him a paycheck because he was hurting so bad with his dumb poor investments not long after his career ended.
    Scottie's oldest son died.

    His wife left him, but not before cheating on him with a famous rapper and the rapper basically emasculated him. She is sleeping with every other basketball player/celebrity being public about her relationships with them. Now she's with Jordan's son.

    He's had two failed marriages and basically a third when his fiancee didn't marry him.

    The guy's mental state is fragile and clearly the Jordan comment pushed him over the edge.

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    Scottie's oldest son died.

    His wife left him, but not before cheating on him with a famous rapper and the rapper basically emasculated him. She is sleeping with every other basketball player/celebrity being public about her relationships with them. Now she's with Jordan's son.

    He's had two failed marriages and basically a third when his fiancee didn't marry him.

    The guy's mental state is fragile and clearly the Jordan comment pushed him over the edge.
    Doesn’t make the way he’s handling it and acting out any less ridiculous?

    Jordan didn’t make any comments about him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdonovan View Post
    Scottie's oldest son died.

    His wife left him, but not before cheating on him with a famous rapper and the rapper basically emasculated him. She is sleeping with every other basketball player/celebrity being public about her relationships with them. Now she's with Jordan's son.

    He's had two failed marriages and basically a third when his fiancee didn't marry him.

    The guy's mental state is fragile and clearly the Jordan comment pushed him over the edge.
    His mental state is fragile because he refuses to take responsibility for his own decisions and needs someone to blame for his misery. He signed the contract. He chose his wives. His choice to marry Larsa Kardashian is especially egregious. She is out for blood. He is projecting all that onto MJ to deflect from the vampire that's eating him alive and humiliating him publicly every day. I will say that knowing she is banging MJ's son is tough to accept. She knew he was envious of MJ the whole time and this is how she is choosing to inflict as much pain as possible. She knows this is a sore spot for Scottie.
    I know MJ's son is grown but this wouldn't be something I'd co-sign if I were MJ. Yet and still, Scottie's biggest issue is with Larsa. He wifed her, gave her children and his last name. He may never be able to separate himself from her toxicity.

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    Lmao at people who define their whole life by their occupation. So what Pippen said Jordan was bad at his job early in his career? Who cares? Y’all act like hes saying he’s a horrible person and f him. Lol.

    What your co workers can’t have an opinion on you at the office? It’s automatically a personal f your life bullshit if someone critiques you at your job?

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    Default Re: Why I don't blame Pippen for his views on Jordan and the Bulls.

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    Lol so no one had an issue with Scottie waiting to get surgery when MJ literally said Pippen was wrong in that situation? Maybe Kerr should speak for himself instead of others.
    That's because MJ only thought about himself.



    No. Again, the bolded is the same example you've been giving of the team sacrificing for the individual, not the individual sacrificing for the team. It's not up to the entire team to appease Scottie. So you're right - it is completely asinine. This isn't that hard to grasp.
    Again. Making the rules, then breaking them when I use said rule against you. Were talking about team success right? Pippen was the second best player on that team. If hes that important, and its all about sacrificing for the greater good of the team, come what may, then by your logic, the players on the team shouldve sacrificed their income to accommodate a player that would give them the best shot at winning.







    Mmmm no. Don't confuse the few instances of (rightful) criticism for shitting on him consistently 3ba11 style.
    I'm not. That clown is the worse. But I think he trolls mores than anything.

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    And Lmao at Pippen and his stan’s looking for some sort of validation for him doing his job while someone else gets credit. Lol. Welcome to the rest of the world dude.

    Hahaha.

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    Default Re: Why I don't blame Pippen for his views on Jordan and the Bulls.

    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteKyrie View Post
    Not loyal to him?

    The Bulls literally brought him back to end his career, gave him a bronze bust in the stadium and actually created a position in the organization for him to give him a paycheck because he was hurting so bad with his dumb poor investments not long after his career ended.
    Big whoop. All that did was promote ticket sales when they put out that statue of him. And you talk about the Bulls hiring him, did you know they fired him when they wanted him to do more stuff that wouldve interfered with his job on ESPN and he said he would if theh paid him more money since they wanted him to do more work?

    Scottie is obviously a selfish, sick and troubled immature old man at this point. He’s doing more harm to himself right now than anything. He’s petty, over emotional, and quite frankly stupid. Everything he says sounds bat shit crazy and stupid. He had been doing the flip flopping thing on the Bron and MJ conversation every other day. Because part of him is resentful MJ was the obvious superior player and that Scottie gets viewed (rightfully so) as a sidekick level talent. He sees more similarities in his game with LeBrons (even said he was better than him recently ) he’s all over the place because he’s a known selfish guy.
    If hes been so resentful and selfish of MJ, why speak so highly of him? Even in his most recent interview, he said hed take MJ in his starting 5. I think you Jordanites are mad that Pippen is airing out Jordan's dirty laundry. Publicly saying things we knew deep down to be true, but didn't want to acknowledge it.

    His reputation around Chicago land is no tippin Pippen. He might have been the good cop to MJ’s bad cop in the locker room, but unlike Michael who went out of his way to be selfless and defend Scottie or give him praise (back in the late 90s, in the doc, etc) Scottie is selfishly throwing tantrums and pissing all over the legacy of himself and his championship teams and teammates in this process. The same way he went Scottie Qutting at the end of a playoff game because he was asked to be a decoy. Or the sitting out 1998 during the season as some sort of weird leverage power play for himself.

    This dude has always been crazy and ridiculously immature and selfish. Not to mention stupid.
    No, what Pippen is doing, is finally standing up for himself and not taking it on the chin.

    You can totally see why Larsa left his ass.
    Lol. You sound bitter. I never understood the fascination with Larsa Pippen. It's my understanding that They've been broken up for years. Pippen never took her back, he gave her a place to stay. He was still seen with other women in public while Larsa was doing her thing. Scottie can't tell her who she can and can't be with. And then, factor in what Larsa said about her ex

    "I feel like I am kind of mentally in a place of, like, I was married to a really famous guy that was really cute, that had a good body that was really successful that gave me four gorgeous kids," she said. "So, where the hell are you gonna find a guy that can like, fill in — it doesn't have to be all of those, but like, a few of those boxes."
    She added, "It's kind of hard. I thought it was going to be easier, to be honest with you."



    One more point. Scottie and Larsa were married for 23 years. Lol. We never heard of this chick until they broke up and she started messing with all these dudes. People change. If I was Michael Jordan, I'd be disappointed that my son is dating a ho.

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    Default Re: Why I don't blame Pippen for his views on Jordan and the Bulls.

    Quote Originally Posted by 97 bulls View Post
    That's because MJ only thought about himself.




    Again. Making the rules, then breaking them when I use said rule against you. Were talking about team success right? Pippen was the second best player on that team. If hes that important, and its all about sacrificing for the greater good of the team, come what may, then by your logic, the players on the team shouldve sacrificed their income to accommodate a player that would give them the best shot at winning.








    I'm not. That clown is the worse. But I think he trolls mores than anything.
    Except your not using the rule against me. You're twisting it and thinking you are lol. You are literally saying, "the players on the team shouldve sacrificed their income to accomodate a player". That's literally the team sacrificing for the individual. My position is the exact opposite - the individual sacrificing (if we even want to call being a professional a sacrifice lmao) for the team. At least be intellectually honest when you're debating. You know exactly what you're doing lol.

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    Default Re: Why I don't blame Pippen for his views on Jordan and the Bulls.

    Quote Originally Posted by 97 bulls View Post
    Big whoop. All that did was promote ticket sales when they put out that statue of him.
    LOL really? The Bulls were the #1 seed in the East with 62 wins and MVP Derrick Rose when they unveiled his statue in 2011, and you think they did it for...........ticket sales?? My goodness you are off your rockers. You'll literally do anything to make something seem like a slight at Pippen. How is anybody supposed to take you seriously? You are basically 3ba11 but for Pippen at this point LOL.

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    You'll literally do anything to make something seem like a slight at Pippen. How is anybody supposed to take you seriously? You are basically 3ba11 but for Pippen at this point LOL.


    He's a Pippenaire

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    He's a Pippenaire
    From this point forward he will be referred to as 97bu11s.

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    From this point forward he will be referred to as 97bu11s.

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