Amare Stoudemire averaged 37 pts against prime Tim Duncan in the playoff

[3ba11]

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22-23 years old vs championship team and #1 defense


Jordan vs Celtics................. 44 on 50%
Amare vs Spurs................ 37 on 55%
Magic vs Sixers................... FMVP
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Lebron. vs Spurs................. 22 on 36%
Lebron. vs Celts.................. 22 on 36%

[warriorfan]

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22-23 years old vs championship team and #1 defense


Jordan vs Celtics................. 44 on 50%
Amare vs Spurs................ 37 on 55%
Magic vs Sixers................... FMVP
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Lebron. vs Spurs................. 22 on 36%
Lebron. vs Celts.................. 22 on 36%

LeBron fans try to argue that LeBrons first Finals “doesn’t count” because he was so young and inexperienced. Yet if you look in 2012, LeBron’s super team beat a group of just as young and inexperienced players who were all 22 or 23 years old in Westbrook Harden and KD.

So according to their logic 2012 doesn’t count as well.

Also LeBron’s second finals at age 26 was of course one of the biggest disasters of all time….

So LeBron was 26 years old with way more experience as it was his second Finals…and still couldn’t figure it out.


If the supposed goat is unable to have a good finals until his third time around….why do the stans celebrate 2012 when it was vs much lesser, younger, and inexperienced players. Especially considering LeBron colluded with a super team that combined the highest, second, and fourth highest PER in the league. (Wade was already an established superstar champion with his 2006 legendary run as well)

[1987_Lakers]

Only a matter of time before Peja comes back to put 3ball back to sleep

[1987_Lakers]

LeBron fans try to argue that LeBrons first Finals “doesn’t count” because he was so young and inexperienced. Yet if you look in 2012, LeBron’s super team beat a group of just as young and inexperienced players who were all 22 or 23 years old in Westbrook Harden and KD.

So according to their logic 2012 doesn’t count as well.

tf is this garbage? Not only was LeBron inexperienced, but he had a shit cast going up against a dynasty, which is why people usually give him a pass.

OKC although young, were a championship caliber team, beat Kobe-Gasol Lakers, beat Dynasty Spurs in the WCF, & were favorites heading into the Finals against Miami.

[warriorfan]

tf is this garbage? Not only was LeBron inexperienced, but he had a shit cast going up against a dynasty, which is why people usually give him a pass.

OKC although young, were a championship caliber team, beat Kobe-Gasol Lakers, beat Dynasty Spurs in the WCF, & were favorites heading into the Finals against Miami.

It took Lebron 3 final trips and have 8 seasons in the league before he was able to muster up a good finals performance.

OKC were young pups of 22 and 23 years old, first Finals and not very many seasons in total as well

They had no chance. Easy pickins.

[1987_Lakers]

It took Lebron 3 final trips and have 8 seasons in the league before he was able to muster up a good finals performance.

It took Curry 6 finals trips to finally win FMVP

[1987_Lakers]

OKC were young pups of 22 and 23 years old, first Finals and not very many seasons in total as well

They had no chance. Easy pickins.

They had no chance, yet they were favorites and beat some tough competition to get there. gtfo.

Blazers won a title in '77 with their 5 best players all being under 25.

[warriorfan]

They had no chance, yet they were favorites and beat some tough competition to get there. gtfo.

Blazers won a title in '77 with their 5 best players all being under 25.

yeah it’s happened like once in the entire history of the nba and 25 is a lot different from 22

[1987_Lakers]

yeah it’s happened like once in the entire history of the nba and 25 is a lot different from 22

They had no chance because they were "young", but you still didn't address why they were favorites against Miami, or how they beat vastly experienced teams with championships that same year like the Lakers with Kobe/Gasol & Spurs with Duncan/Manu/Parker.

To compare the '07 Cavs & '12 Thunder and call them similar is flat out dumb, and you know it.

[warriorfan]

They had no chance because they were "young", but you still didn't address why they were favorites against Miami, or how they beat vastly experienced teams with championships that same year like the Lakers with Kobe/Gasol & Spurs with Duncan/Manu/Parker.

To compare the '07 Cavs & '12 Thunder and call them similar is flat out dumb, and you know it.

09 cavs were favored and had HCA over orlando


vegas doesn’t always get it right

[1987_Lakers]

09 cavs were favored and had HCA over orlando


vegas doesn’t always get it right

Yes, but you still ignored my other point because you know I'm right. OKC wasn't just some young team that fluked their way into the Finals, they actually made the WCF the year before. I remember before the '12 season started many people including myself picked them to make the Finals and we saw them destroy a Spurs team with championship DNA in the WCF after they got down 0-2 in the series. They were looked as a young team with major talent and seen as championship contenders by mostly everyone, from the beginning of the season.

Cavs beating the Pistons in the ECF in '07 was looked as a big upset by every fan basically, and that was when Ben Wallace wasn't even with Detroit anymore, which should tell you most people knew that Cavs team wasn't that good.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

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22-23 years old vs championship team and #1 defense


Jordan vs Celtics................. 44 on 50%
Amare vs Spurs................ 37 on 55%
Magic vs Sixers................... FMVP
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Lebron. vs Spurs................. 22 on 36%
Lebron. vs Celts.................. 22 on 36%

If LeBron had Prime Kareem or a stacked Suns team (Nash, Marion, Johnson) to work with and still put up those numbers…he’d get some deserved flak (as he did in ‘11).

Alas he did not…so those are two unsurprisingly stupid comparisons.

Individual players, you see, often perform worse in the playoffs when the opposing team (a both defensive dynasties, no less), spend every film session game-planning around you and not your teammates.

[SouBeachTalents]

OKC was very young but that doesn't mean they weren't an elite team. They had won 50+ games the previous 2 years, were a shot away from forcing the champion Lakers to a 7th game in 2010, and made the WCF the year before. They also thugged the 3 most experienced teams in their conference, teams who had all won championships, going 12-3 against them on their way to the Finals.

It's frankly only an argument that gets brought up because LeBron beat them Nobody brings up the age argument to diminish Hakeem's title in '95 or Bird's in '86, even though Shaq/Penny & Hakeem were the same age as the OKC players those seasons, and Sampson was just 25. And like OKC, they also knocked off the veteran teams in their conference, beating the Showtime Lakers & Jordan Bulls on their way to the Finals.

[ShawkFactory]

09 cavs were favored and had HCA over orlando


vegas doesn’t always get it right

Lebron didn’t play well in 07 for sure. But I think (just think) that the difference between the 07 Cavs and 12 Thunder is that one team had 3 MVP talents and the other did not.

The similarity is that they were both young but outside of that it’s not a remotely comparable situation.

[warriorfan]

Lebron didn’t play well in 07 for sure. But I think (just think) that the difference between the 07 Cavs and 12 Thunder is that one team had 3 MVP talents and the other did not.

The similarity is that they were both young but outside of that it’s not a remotely comparable situation.

what about 11?

at that point lebron had the experience in both nba and also deep post season including finals, he had all nba teammates he hand picked, he was in his physical prime. he still choked.