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    The best available shot with the highest expected value should always be taken. The context and circumstance will dictate what that shot is. Plays will naturally break down, especially in the playoffs as increased physicality is allowed by the referees. Having someone who can salvage as many of these plays as possible is invaluable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Im Still Ballin View Post
    The best available shot with the highest expected value should always be taken. The context and circumstance will dictate what that shot is. Plays will naturally break down, especially in the playoffs as increased physicality is allowed by the referees. Having someone who can salvage as many of these plays as possible is invaluable.
    Agree. If I were coaching, I'd put a [figurative] boot up players' rear ends for taking tough shots if easier ones were available. It's about playing smart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Full Court View Post
    Agree. If I were coaching, I'd put a [figurative] boot up players' rear ends for taking tough shots if easier ones were available. It's about playing smart.
    And yet you'll criticize Lebron for giving up a pull up 3 in order to pass to an open man.

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    Old Kobe did the same thing here in this short video.




    This is where I make the distinction between takeover scoring and in the flow scoring. Takeover is when you string together 3-5+ possessions in a row scoring or score like 20 in one quarter. In the flow is when you dip and dab like 5-8 points per quarter and only take the easiest opportunities.

    It's like the difference between Durant and AD how you'll look at the box score after the game and see they scored 35 on 70TS but it didn't feel that dominant, where as when a guy like Kobe goes on a scoring binge its extremely noticeable because he does it all at once and you can feel the momentum shift in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overdrive View Post
    And yet you'll criticize Lebron for giving up a pull up 3 in order to pass to an open man.
    Incorrect. Either you mistake me for someone else, or you're assuming things that don't exist.

    I have criticized Lebron numerous times on here, and been very consistent with it, for TAKING the clutch shots rather than passing when we all know he makes maybe 1 in 10 of them. How many times in just the last season did he put up the game tying or game winning shot and blow it? I lost count. There were TONS. I've also criticized his coaches for allowing it to happen over and over again. But I guess the name "LeShrivel" didn't just come out of nowhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpols View Post
    Old Kobe did the same thing here in this short video.




    This is where I make the distinction between takeover scoring and in the flow scoring. Takeover is when you string together 3-5+ possessions in a row scoring or score like 20 in one quarter. In the flow is when you dip and dab like 5-8 points per quarter and only take the easiest opportunities.

    It's like the difference between Durant and AD how you'll look at the box score after the game and see they scored 35 on 70TS but it didn't feel that dominant, where as when a guy like Kobe goes on a scoring binge its extremely noticeable because he does it all at once and you can feel the momentum shift in the game.
    I was at a Warriors game well over 10 years when the Lakers were in town. Oakland was pretty bad and Kobe was somewhat coasting. Then he came back in and scored every possession for at least 4 or 5 in a row. Then sat down and was done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overdrive View Post
    And yet you'll criticize Lebron for giving up a pull up 3 in order to pass to an open man.


    Doesn't matter what lebron does on/off the court. That redneck jizzrag will always remain a gay casual who whines stupid, trivial stuff about him. Like how he allegedly 'trademarked taco tuesday'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post


    Doesn't matter what lebron does on/off the court. That redneck jizzrag will always remain a gay casual who whines stupid, trivial stuff about him. Like how he allegedly 'trademarked taco tuesday'.
    Imagine being so obsessed with another man that you throw bitch fits every time someone criticizes him.

    What an autistic loser.

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    Like i said, he always gets butthurt about the ugly truth most of the time. It's true he can never get lebron's dick out of his stupid mouth, after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbine View Post
    I'd argue vigorously that the only reason Kobe isn't a consensus top 10 GOAT is because of his hero ball shot selection.
    I wrote about this in a thread eviscerating 3ball, though it wasn't primarily about Kobe. It was about MJ and him taking 20+ FGA per game. I wish I had saved that thread because it had the relevant numbers in it, but this is something to really ponder upon....

    RS Kobe '06-'12 <20 FGA: 148-43 (.775%)
    RS Kobe '06-'12 >20 FGA: 202-141 (.589%)

    PS Kobe '06-'12 <20 FGA: 22-10 (.688%)
    PS Kobe '06-'12 >20 FGA: 37-32 (.532%)

    I can't say this with complete certainty, but Kobe's shot selection seemed to have yielded significant differences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Like i said, he always gets butthurt about the ugly truth most of the time. It's true he can never get lebron's dick out of his stupid mouth, after all.
    Stinky biatch.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tpols View Post
    Odom and Bynum probably would've been out the league if it wasn't for Kobe. His work ethic clearly rubbed off on them. They totally gave up afterwards.

    Pau was a legit All Star talent, really good player but cmon.... that's usually not enough to make a borderline dynasty with in the NBA. Much less so when all you guys said Kobe would never win anything without Shaq.

    Meanwhile we have Lebron stans here propping Pau when he was a 19/10 guy while shitting on AD in the WCFs this year averaging 26/12 on better efficiency while being far better defensively.

    Imagine AD on the Lakers instead of Pau. LOL. Some of yall would've had a field day propping him to spite Kobe.
    This is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsNY View Post
    I wrote about this in a thread eviscerating 3ball, though it wasn't primarily about Kobe. It was about MJ and him taking 20+ FGA per game. I wish I had saved that thread because it had the relevant numbers in it, but this is something to really ponder upon....

    RS Kobe '06-'12 <20 FGA: 148-43 (.775%)
    RS Kobe '06-'12 >20 FGA: 202-141 (.589%)

    PS Kobe '06-'12 <20 FGA: 22-10 (.688%)
    PS Kobe '06-'12 >20 FGA: 37-32 (.532%)

    I can't say this with complete certainty, but Kobe's shot selection seemed to have yielded significant differences.
    Both of them are known to be ballhogs. The only difference is that kobe was more chaotic about it (thus more reckless and mistakes), esp. in his younger years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsNY View Post
    I wrote about this in a thread eviscerating 3ball, though it wasn't primarily about Kobe. It was about MJ and him taking 20+ FGA per game. I wish I had saved that thread because it had the relevant numbers in it, but this is something to really ponder upon....

    RS Kobe '06-'12 <20 FGA: 148-43 (.775%)
    RS Kobe '06-'12 >20 FGA: 202-141 (.589%)

    PS Kobe '06-'12 <20 FGA: 22-10 (.688%)
    PS Kobe '06-'12 >20 FGA: 37-32 (.532%)

    I can't say this with complete certainty, but Kobe's shot selection seemed to have yielded significant differences.
    Interesting numbers. Not sure what it means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsNY View Post
    I wrote about this in a thread eviscerating 3ball, though it wasn't primarily about Kobe. It was about MJ and him taking 20+ FGA per game. I wish I had saved that thread because it had the relevant numbers in it, but this is something to really ponder upon....

    RS Kobe '06-'12 <20 FGA: 148-43 (.775%)
    RS Kobe '06-'12 >20 FGA: 202-141 (.589%)

    PS Kobe '06-'12 <20 FGA: 22-10 (.688%)
    PS Kobe '06-'12 >20 FGA: 37-32 (.532%)

    I can't say this with complete certainty, but Kobe's shot selection seemed to have yielded significant differences.
    Well it could mean either a) Kobe shooting more made his team lose more games or b) when Kobe's teams were losing he shot more to try to win. There is correlation between him shooting less and a higher winning % but it doesn't show causation. For all we know he's playing fewer minutes in wins and thus shoots less.

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