Has anyone won a title while leading the league in usage?

[SouBeachTalents]

^^^ there's only one 3-peat dynasty up there and your post is a remarkable demonstration of shallow-thinking that yields lack of insight - you're likely surprised at everything that happens and aren't good at predicting things.

For example, you probably thought that the 95' Bulls would win 50 again lol... But the reality was that Pippen inherited a 3-peat dynasty and wasn't capable of building a 50-win team from scratch or having a "real" 50-win team that wins 50 every year..

Real 1st options like Dominique do these things, while Pippen simply inherited the goat dynasty and was borderline .500 in 95' before MJ returned.. This confirmed that any team with Pippen as the best scorer will fall out of contention QUICKLY due to lack of talent as we saw in 95'

[3ba11]

everything you post is irrelevant


because you refuse to acknowledge basic facts


its like arguing with someone that wont agree that 1 + 1 = 2



you wont even agree that pippen was a good player. not even great, just good

Was Pippen capable of building a 50-win team from scratch or having a REAL 50-win team that wins 50 every year?

Yes or no

The bulls were nothing in 95', so it was just a fluke from being the defending 3-peat champs and having zero expectation or pressure and also the unique situation of having chip on shoulder.. But once the no-expectation period and honeymoon was over, the REAL bulls were nothing in 95' and heading to the bottom very fast without MJ..

But sure, casual fans that are wrong about everything will only look at the surface of 55 wins come to erroneous conclusions about this one-off (while ignoring the playoff embarrassment and collapse)

[hateraid]

Lol I love how usage is now important. 10 years of arguing otherwise crumbling real quick.

Lol, facts

[3ba11]

Lol, facts

you guys are confusing usage with ball-domination.. I've always said that ball-domination is bad, but that isn't usage.

so you guys are just wrong and can't respond to the facts (or simply concede), so you're regurgitating this already-debunked nonsense

[red1]

Was Pippen capable of building a 50-win team from scratch or having a REAL 50-win team that wins 50 every year?

Yes or no

The bulls were nothing in 95', so it was just a fluke from being the defending 3-peat champs and having zero expectation or pressure and also the unique situation of having chip on shoulder.. But once the no-expectation period and honeymoon was over, the REAL bulls were nothing in 95' and heading to the bottom very fast without MJ..

But sure, casual fans that are wrong about everything will only look at the surface of 55 wins come to erroneous conclusions about this one-off (while ignoring the playoff embarrassment and collapse)

the argument isnt whether or not pippen can build a team from scratch, you fucking imbecile


the argument is that the bulls had the best talent on their roster


and you refuse to acknowledge basic facts


pippen was all-nba first team in 1995 you moron - thanks for bringing that year up


and you flipflop and deflect after every argument and spam the same shit over and over

[3ba11]

the argument isnt whether or not pippen can build a team from scratch, you fucking imbecile


the argument is that the bulls had the best talent on their roster

The bolded is where your thinking falls short of gaining the proper insight - teams win games due to talent AND/OR chemistry-strategy (brand of ball)

The 94' Bulls clearly won via the latter, which is why it was a one-off that they couldn't sustain without more talent as we saw in 1995 (when the honeymoon and no-pressure surprise factor was gone).

Ultimately, the bulls had to 3-peat with MJ before they could win 55 without him (in a no-pressure one-off)

[3ba11]

What did the Bulls do in 95'?.. Pippen simply inherited a 3-peat dynasty in 94' for a one-off regular season and then playoff collapse - he wasn't capable of building a 50-win team from scratch or having a "real" 50-win team that wins 50 every year..

Real 1st options like Dominique do these things, while Pippen simply inherited the goat dynasty that he reduced to borderline .500 in 95' before MJ returned.. This confirmed that any team with Pippen as the best scorer will fall out of contention QUICKLY due to lack of talent as we saw in 95'

[Axe]

What did the Bulls do in 95'?.. Pippen simply inherited a 3-peat dynasty in 94' for a one-off regular season and then playoff collapse - he wasn't capable of building a 50-win team from scratch or having a "real" 50-win team that wins 50 every year..

Real 1st options like Dominique do these things, while Pippen simply inherited the goat dynasty that he reduced to borderline .500 in 95' before MJ returned.. This confirmed that any team with Pippen as the best scorer will fall out of contention QUICKLY due to lack of talent as we saw in 95'

What did jordan do without scottie pippen eh, andrew?

[3ba11]

What did jordan do without scottie pippen eh, andrew?

well eh, Muhammed, Jordan needed nothing to win 40 games in 1987 or 50 games in 1988, while Lebron won 40 in 2005 with an all-star center, or 50 in 2006 with an all-star center, HOF coach and 22/5/5 all-defender acquisition..

To summarize, Jordan needed literally nothing to win 40 or 50 games, while Lebron needed far more help to win 40 games (East all-star center) or 50 games (all-star center, HOF coach, 22/5/5 all-defender)

[Duffy Pratt]

Since inheriting a dynasty is so important, just imagine how great the Celtics must have been after Russell retired (34-48).

[3ba11]

Since inheriting a dynasty is so important, just imagine how great the Celtics must have been after Russell retired (34-48).

Those Celtics lost top 75 player Sam Jones in addition to Russell and they were already on their last legs in 1969 with Russell.. Russell also stepped down as the team's coach after winning titles in 68' and 69' - Heinsohn took over as rookie coach with a new system that developed into a title team by 74'... Also HOF Tom Sanders missed 30 games in 70'

So the team completely changed for the worse in 1970 and started over with new coach and system, while the 94' Bulls kept the same system/coach and upgraded literally every roster spot outside of their top 3 guys - everyone else from the 4 through 12 spots was new and upgraded replacement

Ultimately, 55 games in the regular season and then massive collapse in the playoffs and the following season isn't anything to write home about - the dynasty had completely crumbled by the time MJ returned - the Bulls were headed downwards in 95' and would've been lottery in 96' without MJ instead of champion.. Any team with Pippen as the 1st option will fall out of contention QUICKLY due to lack of talent like we saw in 95', even a 3-peat dynasty

And if Pippen was good, then why didn't he turn around Houston in 99'?.. It's because he was nothing outside the system - 14 ppg outside the system in 89' and 99'