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Please clap.
Re: The Tucker Carlson Vladimir Putin Interview
Originally Posted by diamenz
it's not about that. it's about putting both sides of the story out there
A Russian citizen would get thrown in jail or killed for doing that.
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NBA rookie of the year
Re: The Tucker Carlson Vladimir Putin Interview
Originally Posted by Real Men Wear Green
A Russian citizen would get thrown in jail or killed for doing that.
good thing we're americans.
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Burning Spirit!
Re: The Tucker Carlson Vladimir Putin Interview
Originally Posted by diamenz
it's not about that. it's about putting both sides of the story out there and allowing the american people to utilize that information in order to figure the truth of the matter out for themselves. that doesn't mean you have to believe or like what putin says.
the media in our country doesn't do their job - all they do is regurgitate whatever they hear from our government as if it's truth, especially when it comes to war. they fawn over zelensky. they ignore historical context, great power politics and geopolitical dynamics. it's always as simple as "putin invaded a sovereign country. putin is the aggressor" programming americans to do things like swap their american flag on their porches out for a ukrainian one.
literally nothing bad can come out of conducting this interview. it can only benefit americans. as long as americans keep an open mind and turn off "entertainment tonight" for one night, anyway.
Putin's story is more like "1000 years ago, Russia were powerful and united.... , thus Ukraine and every other countries that used to be under USSR should return to us."
Yeah he is still mentioning USSR often in the interview. Clearly, his ambition is to unify the USSR at all cost before he croaks.
Still the main reason Putin started the Ukrainian war was Nazi accusation but now it has been shifted to Ukraine trying to join NATO. He will continue to shift the goal post as many times as he wants to permanently take Ukraine territories.
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NBA rookie of the year
Re: The Tucker Carlson Vladimir Putin Interview
Originally Posted by BurningHammer
Putin's story is more like "1000 years ago, Russia were powerful and united.... , thus Ukraine and every other countries that used to be under USSR should return to us."
Yeah he is still mentioning USSR often in the interview. Clearly, his ambition is to unify the USSR at all cost before he croaks.
Still the main reason Putin started the Ukrainian war was Nazi accusation but now it has been shifted to Ukraine trying to join NATO. He will continue to shift the goal post as many times as he wants to permanently take Ukraine territories.
whether or not putin has ideological dreams of recreating the soviet empire is irrelevant. what's relevant is whether he will actually take action in doing so. a war with the collective west is a war that russia would not win. putin knows this. russia has neither the military might nor the economic foundation to pull off such a large-scale invasion of eastern europe. it would be an absolute blunder of a move and would ensure the destruction of russia or at the very least, forced regime change in moscow.
to address your second point, there are a number of factors that led up to this crisis and ultimately the invasion of ukraine. the leading cause of which is nato expansion as you mentioned but to a lesser extent eu expansion. there are also secondary causes such as the orange revolution, our backing of it, and ultimately the 2014 us-backed coup in ukraine to overthrow their democratically-elected pro-russian president... which we all know was the last straw that sparked this conflict and led to the invasion of crimea and today, ukraine.
so the invasion of ukraine should have come as no surprise and certainly isn't as simple as saying putin is the aggressor and that the invasion was unprovoked. going back decades, russian leaders have made clear that they would not stand idly by while their strategically-important neighbor turned into a western bastion. this is how great powers act. imagine if china had built a military alliance the size and scale of nato and tried to include canada and mexico in it. do you think washington would tolerate something like that?
there's a lot more to this than meets the eye... or at least a lot more than what the us media lays on the table and what the government shoves down your throat. that's why i said that nothing bad can come of this interview. it doesn't excuse putin's actions nor does it take his side - it only provides russia's side of the story to amercans who may otherwise remain clueless.
Last edited by diamenz; 02-09-2024 at 01:09 PM.
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why I even like Rondo
Re: The Tucker Carlson Vladimir Putin Interview
Originally Posted by diamenz
whether or not putin has ideological dreams of recreating the soviet empire is irrelevant. what's relevant is whether he will actually take action in doing so. a war with the collective west is a war that russia would not win. putin knows this. russia has neither the military might nor the economic foundation to pull off such a large-scale invasion of eastern europe. it would be an absolute blunder of a move and would ensure the destruction of russia or at the very least, forced regime change in moscow.
to address your second point, there are a number of factors that led up to this crisis and ultimately the invasion of ukraine. the leading cause of which is nato expansion as you mentioned but to a lesser extent eu expansion. there are also secondary causes such as the orange revolution, our backing of it, and ultimately the 2014 us-backed coup in ukraine to overthrow their democratically-elected pro-russian president... which we all know was the last straw that sparked this conflict and led to the invasion of crimea and today, ukraine.
so the invasion of ukraine should have come as no surprise and certainly isn't as simple as saying putin is the aggressor and that the invasion was unprovoked. going back decades, russian leaders have made clear that they would not stand idly by while their strategically-important neighbor turned into a western bastion. this is how great powers act. imagine if china had built a military alliance the size and scale of nato and tried to include canada and mexico in it. do you think washington would tolerate something like that?
there's a lot more to this than meets the eye... or at least a lot more than what the us media lays on the table and what the government shoves down your throat. that's why i said that nothing bad can come of this interview. it doesn't excuse putin's actions nor does it take his side - it only provides russia's side of the story to amercans who may otherwise remain clueless.
The funny thing in all this is that russia kind of lost ukraine some 10 years ago when population got fed up being friends with a broke ass country when the western world is all happy ,richer and more sane (trust me russia is crazy and it stems mostly from corruption) . After this war they hate russia more and trust them less so unless putin absorbs all ukraine they gonna keep spamming "join nato" button. They got this weird problem now frfr
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The Renaissance man
Re: The Tucker Carlson Vladimir Putin Interview
Originally Posted by diamenz
it's not about that. it's about putting both sides of the story out there and allowing the american people to utilize that information in order to figure the truth of the matter out for themselves. that doesn't mean you have to believe or like what putin says.
the media in our country doesn't do their job - all they do is regurgitate whatever they hear from our government as if it's truth, especially when it comes to war. they fawn over zelensky. they ignore historical context, great power politics and geopolitical dynamics. it's always as simple as "putin invaded a sovereign country. putin is the aggressor" programming americans to do things like swap their american flag on their porches out for a ukrainian one.
literally nothing bad can come out of conducting this interview. it can only benefit americans. as long as americans keep an open mind and turn off "entertainment tonight" for one night, anyway.
So you are 100% buying every word Colonel putin says?
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The Renaissance man
Re: The Tucker Carlson Vladimir Putin Interview
Originally Posted by diamenz
whether or not putin has ideological dreams of recreating the soviet empire is irrelevant. what's relevant is whether he will actually take action in doing so. a war with the collective west is a war that russia would not win. putin knows this. russia has neither the military might nor the economic foundation to pull off such a large-scale invasion of eastern europe. it would be an absolute blunder of a move and would ensure the destruction of russia or at the very least, forced regime change in moscow.
to address your second point, there are a number of factors that led up to this crisis and ultimately the invasion of ukraine. the leading cause of which is nato expansion as you mentioned but to a lesser extent eu expansion. there are also secondary causes such as the orange revolution, our backing of it, and ultimately the 2014 us-backed coup in ukraine to overthrow their democratically-elected pro-russian president... which we all know was the last straw that sparked this conflict and led to the invasion of crimea and today, ukraine.
so the invasion of ukraine should have come as no surprise and certainly isn't as simple as saying putin is the aggressor and that the invasion was unprovoked. going back decades, russian leaders have made clear that they would not stand idly by while their strategically-important neighbor turned into a western bastion. this is how great powers act. imagine if china had built a military alliance the size and scale of nato and tried to include canada and mexico in it. do you think washington would tolerate something like that?
there's a lot more to this than meets the eye... or at least a lot more than what the us media lays on the table and what the government shoves down your throat. that's why i said that nothing bad can come of this interview. it doesn't excuse putin's actions nor does it take his side - it only provides russia's side of the story to amercans who may otherwise remain clueless.
Why did Russia wait until 8 years to attack Ukraine if those were the reasons? Ukraine has been trying to join nato since Bush administration. The coup you mentioned was 2014. Neo-nazis didn't suddenly appear in Ukraine in 2022. Why did it take 8yrs if those were the reasons?
Russia also controls the pro-russia territories like donbas or w/e. What are they waiting around for if they had no intention of capturing all of Ukraine? What are they waiting for? (do you want me to answer that question?)
Last edited by bladefd; 02-09-2024 at 02:23 PM.
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NBA rookie of the year
Re: The Tucker Carlson Vladimir Putin Interview
Originally Posted by bladefd
? (do you want me to answer that question?)
sure.
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NBA rookie of the year
Re: The Tucker Carlson Vladimir Putin Interview
Originally Posted by bladefd
So you are 100% buying every word Colonel putin says?
my argument isn't based on "what putin says". my argument is based on history and geopolitics.
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Re: The Tucker Carlson Vladimir Putin Interview
I wonder if God will accept the slaughter of innocent families after Putin gives him a history lesson.
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NBA lottery pick
Re: The Tucker Carlson Vladimir Putin Interview
Originally Posted by bladefd
So you are 100% buying every word Colonel putin says?
This is what you pulled from his post you illiterate moron?
He simply stating it's good to hear all sides of the story. Never once did he say he's believing any word of it but simply people speak with their biases/agenda.
You never fail to come off as a moron, even in a post with less than ten words in it.
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NBA Superstar
Re: The Tucker Carlson Vladimir Putin Interview
Originally Posted by Real Men Wear Green
It's so weird to see all of these people on the right that have become fans of a tyrant dictator.
They are scared.
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The Renaissance man
Re: The Tucker Carlson Vladimir Putin Interview
Originally Posted by diamenz
sure.
US Election result. If the perfect idiot Trump wins, the Ukraine aid stops, and Putin can finish the job of overtaking Ukraine. If Biden wins, aid continues and then Putin has to decide (perhaps save face?)
I will re-post the questions you conveniently passed on. Why did Russia wait until 8 years to attack Ukraine if those were the reasons? Ukraine has been trying to join nato since Bush administration. The coup you mentioned was 2014. Neo-nazis didn't suddenly appear in Ukraine in 2022. Why did it take 8yrs if those were the reasons?
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The Renaissance man
Re: The Tucker Carlson Vladimir Putin Interview
Originally Posted by rawimpact
This is what you pulled from his post you illiterate moron?
He simply stating it's good to hear all sides of the story. Never once did he say he's believing any word of it but simply people speak with their biases/agenda.
You never fail to come off as a moron, even in a post with less than ten words in it.
And one side is from Putin, dumbass. Can you believe anything Putin says and take at face value? Dude is an authoritarian tyrant serving like his 6th term and no intention of ever leaving office. Are you that clueless to not understand that? Ofc you are.
My questions also apply to you. Why did Russia wait until 8 years to attack Ukraine if those were the reasons? Ukraine has been trying to join nato since Bush administration. The coup you mentioned was 2014. Neo-nazis didn't suddenly appear in Ukraine in 2022. Why did it take 8yrs if those were the reasons?
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NBA All-star
Re: The Tucker Carlson Vladimir Putin Interview
Originally Posted by diamenz
there's truth to that but it's really not that simple.
It's pretty clear they were provoked, and did quite a lot to try and avoid war.
Originally Posted by bladefd
And one side is from Putin, dumbass. Can you believe anything Putin says and take at face value? Dude is an authoritarian tyrant serving like his 6th term and no intention of ever leaving office. Are you that clueless to not understand that? Ofc you are.
My questions also apply to you. Why did Russia wait until 8 years to attack Ukraine if those were the reasons? Ukraine has been trying to join nato since Bush administration. The coup you mentioned was 2014. Neo-nazis didn't suddenly appear in Ukraine in 2022. Why did it take 8yrs if those were the reasons?
Blade is the person who literally believed that Putin decided to invade the whole of Ukraine, completely out of the blue, after waking up one day. Completely shocking the world, in the same manner that the world would be shocked if Japan invaded Costa Rica out of the blue. So he cannot bring up any points that Putin made and counter it, just like Off the Court, he can only respond in CNN propaganda narratives. I love Blade, but this is why I can never have any discussions with him. It's a waste of time. He didn't even watch the interview.
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